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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    And by the way Antartica's ice has been GROWING over the last several decades.
    I believe you need to read your reference more closely. One fact about Antarctica you are ignoring is the growth of Antarctica is due to increased snow fall due to global warming. There is more in the article your missing. Also, Antarctica is surrounded by strong ocean currents that isolate the continent from the surrounding warmer air currents.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      I believe you need to read your reference more closely. One fact about Antarctica you are ignoring is the growth of Antarctica is due to increased snow fall due to global warming. There is more in the article your missing. Also, Antarctica is surrounded by strong ocean currents that isolate the continent from the surrounding warmer air currents.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
        I believe you need to read your reference more closely. One fact about Antarctica you are ignoring is the growth of Antarctica is due to increased snow fall due to global warming. There is more in the article your missing. Also, Antarctica is surrounded by strong ocean currents that isolate the continent from the surrounding warmer air currents.
        This goes back to what I said earlier. Nearly verything is interpreted as supporting Global Warming and anything that doesn't is dismissed. So less ice in the Arctic? Why that's because of Global Warming. More ice in Antartica? Why that is because of global warming. More wildfires? Global Warming! More Blizzards? Global Warming!

        Or should I say "Climate Change?" I think that is the new terminology so they can cover all bases.

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          This goes back to what I said earlier. Nearly verything is interpreted as supporting Global Warming and anything that doesn't is dismissed. So less ice in the Arctic? Why that's because of Global Warming. More ice in Antartica? Why that is because of global warming. More wildfires? Global Warming! More Blizzards? Global Warming!

          Or should I say "Climate Change?" I think that is the new terminology so they can cover all bases.
          This is a very shallow incomplete judgment and biased understanding of the history of the objective verifiable evidence involved. For example: You're apparently not aware of the other supporting evidence between the warming and cooling trends concerning the history of the ice in the Antarctic and the Arctic, and the response to the ice thickness and extent over the regions in response to climate changes.

          Again, one forest fire, nor one blizzard, nor 20 to 50 years ice thickness and extent do not stand alone as evidence of Global Warming. The evidence extends over thousands, tens of thousands, to millions of years of climate records.
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Yeah, that.
            Eh? How is what David Hayward said about peer review different to my explanation which you poo-pooed?
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            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Eh? How is what David Hayward said about peer review different to my explanation which you poo-pooed?
              He mirrored my concern....

              Originally posted by David Hayward View Post
              What I do find concerning is that it wasn't a colleague, friend or fellow researcher who gleefully ripped into it to expose the error. Plainly the (rather idealised and ideal) peer review system described by Goldacre fell down, the colleagues failed to look critically at their colleagues' work.
              I had mentioned confirmation bias, which seems to be what he's referencing here.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                The shoe fits, as the evidence fits. You need not force it, but you propose to force it not to fit based on your agenda, and without even the basic knowledge of the science involved..

                Constant and critical peer review process over time eliminates confirmation bias.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  He mirrored my concern....



                  I had mentioned confirmation bias, which seems to be what he's referencing here.
                  If he mirrored your concern he would have resolved your issues of confirmation bias.
                  Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                  Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                  But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                  go with the flow the river knows . . .

                  Frank

                  I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Why are you unable to just answer my question:
                    Firstly, answer my question: Why are you so anxious to deny global warming given the strong evidence that it's occurring, especially when the consequences will be catastrophic for us all?

                    So a wildfire is evidence of global warming but a blizzard is just weather?
                    Answered in the link you seem not to have read.

                    “The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010.

                    https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

                    Hence, extreme weather events, such as record wildfires in the US and Australia were predicted as a consequence of global warming.

                    And by the way Antartica's ice has been GROWING over the last several decades.
                    Nevertheless Antarctica's glaciers are melting.

                    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...sheet-melting/
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      Firstly, answer my question:
                      So cute.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                        If he mirrored your concern he would have resolved your issues of confirmation bias.
                        No.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                          This is a very shallow incomplete judgment and biased understanding of the history of the objective verifiable evidence involved. For example: You're apparently not aware of the other supporting evidence between the warming and cooling trends concerning the history of the ice in the Antarctic and the Arctic, and the response to the ice thickness and extent over the regions in response to climate changes.

                          Again, one forest fire, nor one blizzard, nor 20 to 50 years ice thickness and extent do not stand alone as evidence of Global Warming. The evidence extends over thousands, tens of thousands, to millions of years of climate records.
                          And those records show many cycles of warming and cooling that were happening long before men came along or could have any influence over the climate. I don't question that climate changes over time, or that we go through cooling and warming periods. I just question that mankind is destroying the earth by changing the climate and whether it is actually happening as fast as the doomsayers claim. They have been going on about this since the 1980s and we should all be underwater or baked to death by now. But we aren't. I can't tell that the climate around here has changed much at all in the last 40 years. I remember having winters when I was a kid where I could run around in shorts. I can remember summers that were so hot we couldn't go outside. I have experienced the same and the opposite many times in the intervening decades.

                          But I have noticed that the newspapers, the politicians, and many scientists trying to promote AGW will indeed selectively choose to claim a particularly hot summer or unusual event like more hurricanes in a year or more wildfires, and claim it is evidence of AGW, and even when questioned about unusually cold winters, still claim that it is evidence of AGW.

                          But I have also noticed that they have subtlety changed the terminology to "Climate Change" over the last decade or so in order to cover all bases.

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Firstly, answer my question: Why are you so anxious to deny global warming given the strong evidence that it's occurring, especially when the consequences will be catastrophic for us all?
                            Because I don't see any STRONG evidence. I just see weak correlations and chicken little claims of doom that never materialize.


                            Answered in the link you seem not to have read.

                            “The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010.

                            https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

                            Hence, extreme weather events, such as record wildfires in the US and Australia were predicted as a consequence of global warming.



                            Nevertheless Antarctica's glaciers are melting.

                            https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...sheet-melting/
                            Again, that is merely an assertion that the wildfires are caused by global warming. Exactly what I said. They use such things as "proof" of global warming and then when we have a very bad winter or a series of them, that is called "weather, not climate" or they have the audacity to claim that is further proof of AGW.

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                            • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                              The shoe fits, as the evidence fits. You need not force it, but you propose to force it not to fit based on your agenda, and without even the basic knowledge of the science involved..

                              Constant and critical peer review process over time eliminates confirmation bias.
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                Laughing heads are not coherent answers.
                                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                                Frank

                                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

                                Comment

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