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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I never said "only" - I was merely arguing against your repeated claims that the "consensus" was reason enough to believe in global warming. And as long as you keep trying to repeat the lie that you didn't make that argument or that you supplemented your argument with links to studies, I will continue to repeat your own words against you:
    Neither of those extracts say that the consensus is "reason enough to believe in global warming".
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    • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
      I did. Still no one ever made the silly strawman argument you keep claiming. Why you keep repeating your lie is the real mystery.
      I quoted him making that argument. Twice. I substantiated my claims, now substantiate your accusation of me being a liar.
      Last edited by Sparko; 01-15-2019, 09:25 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Roy View Post
        Neither of those extracts say that the consensus is "reason enough to believe in global warming".
        It was the only reason he gave in each instance, so it is obvious he considered that to be "enough"

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          I quoted him making that argument. Twice. I substantiated my claims, now substantiate your accusation of me being a liar.
          No you didn't because he never made that argument. He merely pointed out that the evidence has convinced the large majority of the world's climatologists anthropogenic climate change is real and is a threat. That is NOT the same as saying the evidence is correct because the scientists accept it as you keep falsely claiming.

          I know you're not dumb enough to confuse the two idea so that leaves willful misrepresentation on your part. There, it's substantiated.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I am living in the world where Tassman is arguing I should believe in Global Warming simply because "97% of climate scientists" do.
            I do not believe that Tassman made this claim, but from my perspective it is a good reason to believe in Global Warming, but an exception would be if you are more qualified than the scientists,
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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I quoted him making that argument. Twice. I substantiated my claims, now substantiate your accusation of me being a liar.
              Never have I said that scientific consensus is reason enough to believe in global warming on its own. It's the evidence that matters, not necessarily the consensus among scientists. But the fact that there is a large scientific consensus supporting global warming is good reason to take it very seriously. Your own inexplicable reluctance to accept the factual evidence merely reflects your own jaundiced view of science and scientific methodology.
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              • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                No you didn't because he never made that argument. He merely pointed out that the evidence has convinced the large majority of the world's climatologists anthropogenic climate change is real and is a threat. That is NOT the same as saying the evidence is correct because the scientists accept it as you keep falsely claiming.

                I know you're not dumb enough to confuse the two idea so that leaves willful misrepresentation on your part. There, it's substantiated.
                No it is not. You may disagree with what I believe but that doesn't make what I said a lie. This isn't the first time Tassman has tried the same tactic. His argument to me expressing doubt as to AGW was that there is a consensus. Not saying anything about actual evidence. The clear implication is that I should believe in AGW because 97% of climate scientist do. Otherwise why mention it? If the evidence is good enough, who cares how many people believe it?

                And I never claimed he said, "the evidence is correct because the scientists accept it" - I said he claimed I should accept AGW merely because most scientist do, without any mention of any actual evidence.

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Never have I said that scientific consensus is reason enough to believe in global warming on its own. It's the evidence that matters, not necessarily the consensus among scientists. But the fact that there is a large scientific consensus supporting global warming is good reason to take it very seriously. Your own inexplicable reluctance to accept the factual evidence merely reflects your own jaundiced view of science and scientific methodology.
                  You said:

                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  So, what about the ninety-seven percent of climate scientists, who agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide, which have issued public statements endorsing this position.
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Whatever biases some scientists may have, for whatever reason, are irrelevant in the face of undoubted fact that Earth's climate is warming.

                  “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position”
                  Clearly arguing that AGW is true because 97% of scientists believe it. The only evidence you supplied was not for climate change but for the fact that 97% of scientists agree.

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    You said:





                    Clearly arguing that AGW is true because 97% of scientists believe it. The only evidence you supplied was not for climate change but for the fact that 97% of scientists agree.
                    Never have I said that scientific consensus is reason enough to believe in global warming on its own. You have dishonestly cherry-picked my argument, which has been amply supported by links detailing the evidence of global warming, to pursue your own anti-science agenda. Beagle, Roy and shunya have been right to call you out on your seemingly deliberate misrepresentation of my argument.

                    I'm still waiting for you to justify your indifference to the highly probable facts of global warming when, if true, the consequences will be catastrophic for the planet. Why is this?
                    Last edited by Tassman; 01-16-2019, 11:01 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      You said:

                      Clearly arguing that AGW is true because 97% of scientists believe it. The only evidence you supplied was not for climate change but for the fact that 97% of scientists agree.
                      That's still not what was being argued. Since you claim you aren't lying we'll have to accept you're just too stupid to understand the difference between "the evidence is strong enough to convince 97% of scientists" and "the evidence is true because 97% of scientists agree"
                      Last edited by HMS_Beagle; 01-16-2019, 11:50 PM.

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                      • Meanwhile on the bad news side

                        2018 was Earth's fourth-warmest year, EU scientists find

                        The Copernicus Climate Service (C3S), an EU-funded program, has concluded that 2018 was Earth's 4th-warmest year on record — with the past 4 years serving as the hottest years the planet has seen since instrument records began in 1880 (and likely well before that).
                        and


                        Antarctica losing six times more ice mass annually now than 40 years ago

                        Antarctica experienced a sixfold increase in yearly ice mass loss between 1979 and 2017, according to a new study. Glaciologists additionally found that the accelerated melting caused global sea levels to rise more than half an inch during that time.
                        Still that scientifically illiterate moron in the WH and his idiotic mouth-breather fans think anthropogenic climate change is a Chinese hoax.

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                        • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                          Meanwhile on the bad news side



                          and




                          Still that scientifically illiterate moron in the WH and his idiotic mouth-breather fans think anthropogenic climate change is a Chinese hoax.
                          IMHO they want it to happen because they think its a sign of the end times and Jesus' return on a cloud of glory to save them all.
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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Never have I said that scientific consensus is reason enough to believe in global warming on its own. You have dishonestly cherry-picked my argument, which has been amply supported by links detailing the evidence of global warming, to pursue your own anti-science agenda. Beagle, Roy and shunya have been right to call you out on your seemingly deliberate misrepresentation of my argument.

                            I'm still waiting for you to justify your indifference to the highly probable facts of global warming when, if true, the consequences will be catastrophic for the planet. Why is this?
                            You said:

                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            So, what about the ninety-seven percent of climate scientists, who agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide, which have issued public statements endorsing this position.
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Whatever biases some scientists may have, for whatever reason, are irrelevant in the face of undoubted fact that Earth's climate is warming.

                            “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position”
                            Clearly arguing that AGW is true because 97% of scientists believe it. The only evidence you supplied was not for climate change but for the fact that 97% of scientists agree.

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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