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  • #61
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Given the fact that I have a minor in Astronomy & Astrophysics, I am not entirely ignorant of the scientific process.
    I would tend to say that level of qualification is probably high enough for you to have encountered a little bit of general theory of how science is supposed to work and what the scientific method is supposed to be, but is too low for you to have had any actual experience with journal articles or any insight into the practical aspects of the scientific process as it tends to actually function.

    I'm not sure what relevant this has to your previous utterly bizarre claim (normal people would call it a willful and blatant lie, but this forum doesn't like that word) that I have no expertise with regard to the scientific process.

    It turns out, scientists are human and have their own biases, just like the rest of us.
    Yeeesssss... and this relates to the price of fish how exactly?
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    • #62
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      It turns out, scientists are human and have their own biases, just like the rest of us.
      Whatever biases some scientists may have, for whatever reason, are irrelevant in the face of undoubted fact that Earth's climate is warming.

      “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position”

      https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Whatever biases some scientists may have, for whatever reason, are irrelevant in the face of undoubted fact that Earth's climate is warming.

        “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position”

        https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
        For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

        In science, groupthink is never a thing.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          I would tend to say that level of qualification is probably high enough for you to have encountered a little bit of general theory of how science is supposed to work and what the scientific method is supposed to be, but is too low for you to have had any actual experience with journal articles or any insight into the practical aspects of the scientific process as it tends to actually function.
          It is true that I have not written journal articles (though I've played around with LaTeX), but I've certainly used them in writing papers; if I could afford it, I'd love to have a subscription to ApJ. I've done experiments in a laboratory setting. Heck, I've even taken (and handily passed) a 400-level course in atmospheric science.
          I'm not sure what relevant this has to your previous utterly bizarre claim (normal people would call it a willful and blatant lie, but this forum doesn't like that word) that I have no expertise with regard to the scientific process.
          Maybe you could point me to where I claimed such a thing, before accusing me of such. It is certainly not anything I intended to convey.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            If you're referring to the thread OP as an example of a clear error, let me again remind you that in this instance the established consensus on the rate of ocean warming was found to be correct and a new idea was disproven within the week.

            This thread example is not at all any sort of disproof of the established scientific consensus on climate change. It's an example of a few individual scientists making an error and being corrected.

            I'd be delighted if I thought politicians were actually doing any restrictions or taking any serious response to the climate change threat! Please tell me more about all these great climate change policies being implemented!

            Oh, there aren't any? Oh, you're just making this totally up? Oh, these restrictions exist only in your hyperbolic imagination? Oh.
            Are you a complete moron? The entire coal industry in the USA has been decimated by climate and environmental regulations. Not to mention the cleaning industry where I used to work in, where various cleaning chemicals, solvents and fluorocarbons were banned. Regulations affect the auto industry, manufacturing, energy production, just about every facet of our economy. And it has been going on for the last 30+ years.

            And hey Mr. Scientist, if we aren't allowed to comment on climate because we aren't scientists, then I would appreciate you not commenting on American politics, since you are neither an American, nor a politician. m'kay?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              And hey Mr. Scientist, if we aren't allowed to comment on climate because we aren't scientists, then I would appreciate you not commenting on American politics, since you are neither an American, nor a politician. m'kay?
              ...or comment on Christianity since he's not a Christian?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                ...or comment on Christianity since he's not a Christian?
                exactly. He set the bar, so he needs to live by it. No more commenting on things he is not part of or has a professional degree in.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  exactly. He set the bar, so he needs to live by it. No more commenting on things he is not part of or has a professional degree in.
                  But he GOOGLES stuff!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    But he GOOGLES stuff!
                    Does he have a professional degree in googling?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Does he have a professional degree in googling?
                      Lemme see if I can Google that.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Lemme see if I can Google that.
                        Apparently it's a real thing!

                        https://grow.google/programs/it-support/

                        sort of.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          The entire coal industry in the USA has been decimated by climate and environmental regulations.
                          The idea that the decline of coal is due to climate and environmental regulations rather than economic factors is news to me...

                          ...so I just googled (yes, google, cue hysterics) "us coal industry reasons for decline" and looked through the first half dozen results. Every single one of those half-dozen analyses cites the lower cost of natural gas as the primary factor for the decline of coal. 1 of the 6 cites Nixon's Clean Air Act 1963 as having a significant effect as it allowed existing coal power plants to continue (which are now reaching the ends of their lifespans and being retired) but limited the building of new ones, and 1 of the 6 cites Obama's Mercury and Air Toxics Standards Act 2012 as a major factor. So I will grant you it appears to be a minority view that environmental concerns played a significant role, but it seems clear that the universal view is economics played a significant/primary role in the decline of US coal.

                          Not to mention the cleaning industry where I used to work in, where various cleaning chemicals, solvents and fluorocarbons were banned.
                          This sounds as if you're saying that cleaning doesn't happen anymore and there's no more cleaners, which comes across as a bit silly. Could you perhaps clarify what you mean? What difference does it make to anyone if a few cleaning products are banned due to dangers and replaced with more healthy cleaning products? Also, does this have anything at all to do with climate change, or are you just talking about chemical safety regulations at this point?

                          Regulations affect the auto industry, manufacturing, energy production, just about every facet of our economy. And it has been going on for the last 30+ years.
                          Sure, they introduced seat-belts in 1968 etc. Safety regulations are important. However, you made the wild, wild, claim that entire industries are being destroyed by climate change regulations. So could you cite some evidence for this bonkers claim? You even called me a moron for not instantly recognizing the truth of that insane claim.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            The idea that the decline of coal is due to climate and environmental regulations rather than economic factors is news to me...

                            ...so I just googled (yes, google, cue hysterics) "us coal industry reasons for decline" and looked through the first half dozen results. Every single one of those half-dozen analyses cites the lower cost of natural gas as the primary factor for the decline of coal. 1 of the 6 cites Nixon's Clean Air Act 1963 as having a significant effect as it allowed existing coal power plants to continue (which are now reaching the ends of their lifespans and being retired) but limited the building of new ones, and 1 of the 6 cites Obama's Mercury and Air Toxics Standards Act 2012 as a major factor. So I will grant you it appears to be a minority view that environmental concerns played a significant role, but it seems clear that the universal view is economics played a significant/primary role in the decline of US coal.

                            This sounds as if you're saying that cleaning doesn't happen anymore and there's no more cleaners, which comes across as a bit silly. Could you perhaps clarify what you mean? What difference does it make to anyone if a few cleaning products are banned due to dangers and replaced with more healthy cleaning products? Also, does this have anything at all to do with climate change, or are you just talking about chemical safety regulations at this point?

                            Sure, they introduced seat-belts in 1968 etc. Safety regulations are important. However, you made the wild, wild, claim that entire industries are being destroyed by climate change regulations. So could you cite some evidence for this bonkers claim? You even called me a moron for not instantly recognizing the truth of that insane claim.
                            I am not going to keep arguing this with you Starlight. But you are wrong. Just one example: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-targeting-c/
                            Obama was set on regulating the coal industry out of business. I have family that ended up jobless because of him.

                            The cleaning industry. Yes things still get cleaned. but back in the 80's companies use fluorocarbon and hydrocarbon based cleaners that did a great and cost effective way to clean parts for the electronics and automotive industry. Then the whole thing about global warming and the ozone layer became news and the government regulated the use of such chemicals out of existence. Several companies, including the one I worked for, eventually went out of business because it became nearly impossible to clean parts well enough with substitute cleaners in a cost effective manner.

                            Please don't comment on industries you have no experience with. Since you said we should not comment on science because we are not scientists, you should not comment on the coal industry or the cleaning industry because you have no experience in either.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              The idea that the decline of coal is due to climate and environmental regulations rather than economic factors is news to me...

                              ...so I just googled (yes, google, cue hysterics)...
                              Star, there were no "hysterics" over you using Google. I even said I use it quite frequently, but almost always provide the cite I found, instead of just pretending "I knew that".

                              What WAS hysterical was your little rant about how smart you are and how others have inferiority complexes. THAT, sir, was hysterical. And priceless.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Are you a complete moron? The entire coal industry in the USA has been decimated by climate and environmental regulations.
                                As well it should be. When will you climate change deniers wake up? Did you see the fire that just took place in California? Have you noticed the severity of the Hurricanes, the melting ice caps, the severity of the floods due to rain. Regulations are put in place for good reason, to protect the people, and the future of the planet, not because the government wants to hurt the economy or displace people from their jobs.

                                And hey Mr. Scientist, if we aren't allowed to comment on climate because we aren't scientists, then I would appreciate you not commenting on American politics, since you are neither an American, nor a politician. m'kay?
                                I think star is probably just suggesting that you don't just post stupid stuff just because it's what you want to believe, but that isn't backed up by the science.

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