‘Alarming’ Study Claiming Global Warming Heating Up Oceans Based on Math Error

[shunyadragon]

The irony is priceless.

The irony of the perpetual motion citation of bad unreliable references against Global Climate Change is unbelievably priceless.

[One Bad Pig]

The irony of the perpetual motion citation of bad unreliable references against Global Climate Change is unbelievably priceless.

You, and any reference? Yeah.

[One Bad Pig]

The average person can reasonably comment on the quality of teaching. Most people have had up to 100 teachers in their life and endured 30,000 hours or so of being taught. So they know what a teacher is, and does, and can tell good and bad teachers apart.

The average person doesn't, on the other hand, tend to have a particularly good grasp of what it is that scientists tend to get up to, and how academic or scientific institutions tend to work. They haven't spent 30,000 hours of their lives working directly with up to 100 scientists. They're going to suffer from the oft-mentioned-on-this-forum Dunning Kruger effect where they have so little knowledge of the subject that they don't realize how little they understand about it.

So the "a teacher once tried to tell me I wasn't qualified to assess their teaching and I should leave it to the PROFESSIONALS" anecdote is fine for teaching because obviously everyone does actually know lots about teaching, but it doesn't really apply to science where the average person doesn't really have the first clue.

This would be great, if, like, you had any expertise whatsoever in this field.

[Starlight]

This would be great, if, like, you had any expertise whatsoever in this field.

Eh? You know I'm a scientist and have personally found my PhD thesis because privacy is apparently not a thing.

If your point is that I'm not specifically a climate change scientist, then that is true, but I've had other members of my research group who were. My point however, is that the scientific process is a bit opaque to non-scientists, and you certainly shouldn't assume that because you can judge a teacher that you can judge science and scientific institutions without having experienced them personally like we've all experienced teachers.

[lilpixieofterror]

Eh? You know I'm a scientist and have personally found my PhD thesis because privacy is apparently not a thing.

If your point is that I'm not specifically a climate change scientist, then that is true, but I've had other members of my research group who were. My point however, is that the scientific process is a bit opaque to non-scientists, and you certainly shouldn't assume that because you can judge a teacher that you can judge science and scientific institutions without having experienced them personally like we've all experienced teachers.

Are you a climatologist?

[One Bad Pig]

Eh? You know I'm a scientist and have personally found my PhD thesis because privacy is apparently not a thing.

If your point is that I'm not specifically a climate change scientist, then that is true, but I've had other members of my research group who were. My point however, is that the scientific process is a bit opaque to non-scientists, and you certainly shouldn't assume that because you can judge a teacher that you can judge science and scientific institutions without having experienced them personally like we've all experienced teachers.

Given the fact that I have a minor in Astronomy & Astrophysics, I am not entirely ignorant of the scientific process. It turns out, scientists are human and have their own biases, just like the rest of us.

[Sparko]

I have solar panels on my new house and out-building, and I planted 7 trees this spring. I'm good, then, eh?

As a matter of fact, with all the landscaping I had done, -- bushes, shrubs, crepe myrtle trees --- I'm probably green enough to cover all my Tweb colleagues, as well.

Happy?

Thanks. I actually ripped out three trees at my current house. Two were too close to my foundation and one was an oak tree in my front yard and I have no desire to have to rake up acorns every year or go around feeding rogue's squirrel army.

I find it funny that when presented with clear evidence that there are errors in the AGW models, that the MSM latches on to the sensationalism of those errors to spread panic and give fodder to politicians for more restrictions, that the only response by the AGW crowd is, well that was just one time, global warming is still real and we need to stop it.

Maybe we need to step back and assess what is going on instead of running around in a panic all the time, ready to pile on unnecessary restrictions at every turn. The same people who are all for restricting businesses to the point of failure are the same ones who complain about low wages for workers and why they can't afford to buy basic needs like housing and food.

[Cow Poke]

The average person can reasonably comment on the quality of teaching. Most people have had up to 100 teachers in their life and endured 30,000 hours or so of being taught. So they know what a teacher is, and does, and can tell good and bad teachers apart.

The average person doesn't, on the other hand, tend to have a particularly good grasp of what it is that scientists tend to get up to, and how academic or scientific institutions tend to work. They haven't spent 30,000 hours of their lives working directly with up to 100 scientists. They're going to suffer from the oft-mentioned-on-this-forum Dunning Kruger effect where they have so little knowledge of the subject that they don't realize how little they understand about it.

So the "a teacher once tried to tell me I wasn't qualified to assess their teaching and I should leave it to the PROFESSIONALS" anecdote is fine for teaching because obviously everyone does actually know lots about teaching, but it doesn't really apply to science where the average person doesn't really have the first clue.

I know for a fact that when a "teacher" stands on her desk and screams at her students in an attempt to get control - then claims to be a "professional educator", that she's more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

[Cow Poke]

This would be great, if, like, you had any expertise whatsoever in this field.

He Googles stuff.

[Starlight]

I know for a fact that when a "teacher" stands on her desk and screams at her students in an attempt to get control - then claims to be a "professional educator", that she's more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Right.

Why do you feel that being able to make that judgement about a teacher, somehow enables you to make judgments about the scientific process or international scientific consensuses?

[Cow Poke]

Right.

Why do you feel that being able to make that judgement about a teacher, somehow enables you to make judgments about the scientific process or international scientific consensuses?

Actually, it's knowed-up supposed scientists like you who make me distrust scientists in general. It's like you guys can't just be "informed" and conversant - you have to be climate nazis.

Your very demeanor makes me want to question anything you posit. You're pretty much just like that arrogant knowed-up teacher who claims to be a professional.

[Tassman]

Actually, it's knowed-up supposed scientists like you who make me distrust scientists in general. It's like you guys can't just be "informed" and conversant - you have to be climate nazis.

Your very demeanor makes me want to question anything you posit. You're pretty much just like that arrogant knowed-up teacher who claims to be a professional.

So it's the demeanour of scientists that make you reject the undoubted fact of climate change, that makes sense.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

[Cow Poke]

So it's the demeanour of scientists that make you reject the undoubted fact of climate change, that makes sense.

How long were you a used car salesman, Tassman?

[Starlight]

I find it funny that when presented with clear evidence that there are errors in the AGW models

If you're referring to the thread OP as an example of a clear error, let me again remind you that in this instance the established consensus on the rate of ocean warming was found to be correct and a new idea was disproven within the week.

This thread example is not at all any sort of disproof of the established scientific consensus on climate change. It's an example of a few individual scientists making an error and being corrected.

and give fodder to politicians for more restrictions...

Maybe we need to step back and assess what is going on instead of running around in a panic all the time, ready to pile on unnecessary restrictions at every turn. The same people who are all for restricting businesses to the point of failure

I'd be delighted if I thought politicians were actually doing any restrictions or taking any serious response to the climate change threat! Please tell me more about all these great climate change policies being implemented!

Oh, there aren't any? Oh, you're just making this totally up? Oh, these restrictions exist only in your hyperbolic imagination? Oh.

[Cow Poke]

Eh? You know I'm a scientist and have personally found my PhD thesis because privacy is apparently not a thing.

If your point is that I'm not specifically a climate change scientist, then that is true, but I've had other members of my research group who were. My point however, is that the scientific process is a bit opaque to non-scientists, and you certainly shouldn't assume that because you can judge a teacher that you can judge science and scientific institutions without having experienced them personally like we've all experienced teachers.

We might as well add the part about how smart you are, and how afraid we should be.

This is just too good not to be shared....

I do think you and a few others here have inferiority complexes, and my intelligence frightens you, so you've got to constantly try to prove to yourselves that I'm not smart and/or you are.

I am quaking in my boots!!!! (with laughter)