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  • #31
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Great!

    Maybe you want to convince other people to do likewise and stop putting effort into claiming scientists are wrong about their findings about climate change which is well outside your wheel-house.
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Try getting some basic education on the issue.
    See, this is the kind of 'arrogant ass' crap that makes me dislike climate alarmists.

    You can't simply have a decent discussion about it - you have to turn to....

    Well, it reminds me of when my daughter was in Junior High, and her algebra teacher had pretty much a whole class of students who were failing algebra. My daughter insisted there was always chaos in the classroom, the teacher wasn't even teaching algebra, and she wanted to transfer.

    Not simply taking my daughter's word for it (in fact, to prove her wrong) I went up to the school at the time my daughter was in algebra, and quietly stood outside the door. The class was in total chaos, and the algebra teacher was demonstrating how to put a condom on a cucumber. (I didn't have cell phone a camera back then, but sure which I would have)

    I went to the principal's office, where he admitted he had had several other complaints, and told me he'd invite her to his office after the period was over. When she came to the office, and I was allowed to voice my concern, I asked her why she was teaching sex education instead of algebra. In front of the principal (who, she apparently thought would have her back) she boasted "Well, I am a PROFESSIONAL EDUCATOR, and you're just a parent!"

    Within the week, she was an unemployed "professional educator".

    That's the kind of attitude you so frequently display, Star. You seem to think you are the utmost authority on life in America, for example, but you've never lived here, but you've READ stuff.... and pretty much the same with Christianity.

    So this "well outside your wheel-house" is a stinking pile of hypocrisy, and part of the reason I really don't trust the "professional scientists" of climate alarmism.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      See, this is the kind of 'arrogant ass' crap that makes me dislike climate alarmists.
      You arrogantly pontificate about how all the experts are wrong, on a subject you are clearly pretty ignorant on, and then you accuse me of arrogance when I correct you. What a joke.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        And, at least according to Greenpeace, China's 2018 carbon emissions are increasing and expected to grow at the fastest rate in 6 years with carbon output rising 4% in the first quarter of this year.
        Sad if true, but not really relevant to the topic. China's current failures such as they are, aren't an excuse for not even trying to address the issue facing the world.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          You arrogantly pontificate about how all the experts are wrong,
          Can you please show me where I 'pontificated' any such thing? I believe this is an outright lie.

          on a subject you are clearly pretty ignorant on,
          Never claimed to be an expert on climate. Not even once.

          and then you accuse me of arrogance
          Yes, Yes, I do.

          when I correct you. What a joke.
          So you double down on the arrogance.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            All right, I will admit that I probably have a tendency towards being both blunt and arrogant. I'm sorry if that offends. I tend to interpret those traits positively as being task-focused, to-the-point, and well-educated, but naturally I'm biased in any self-assessment. Scientists in general have a reputation for that sort of thing and I suspect I'm no exception. I'll admit I don't tend to take these sort of accusations very seriously when they come from people on this forum though, as I usually perceive the people making them as being at least as arrogant as they are accusing me of being and far far less knowledgeable about the very material they are being arrogant about. Perhaps I'm right, perhaps that's me projecting my own arrogance into their posts and attitudes, I don't know if it's possible for me to accurately asses that.

            Perhaps a lot of anti-science climate-change-skeptics don't perceive how arrogantly they come across when they make declarations about scientists in general, science as a whole, or current climate change consensuses worked on by tens of thousands of scientists, and how arrogant it looks when they themselves declare in their own wisdom (such as it is) that they are right on this issue and all the experts are wrong. From where I'm sitting, calling tens of thousands of experts wrong, based on one's own ignorance, looks immensely arrogant, far more so than any snide comments in an internet forum could ever be. I don't really know how any amount of personal arrogance on my part no matter how much I tried to project disdain and contempt through my posts, could ever actually compare to that.

            I do see climate change as a major threat facing the world, and am deeply concerned about its possible future effects ranging from massive forest fires, to damaging natural disasters, to loss of arable land, to rising sea levels wrecking coastal settlements, to massive numbers of refugees being created across the middle east and asia if those areas of the world become too hot to live in. It annoys me when people oppose taking basic steps to address or mitigate these risks, or make ideologically driven attacks against science in general as part of an effort to discredit the current scientific consensus about the process of climate change.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              All right, I will admit that I probably have a tendency towards being both blunt and arrogant. I'm sorry if that offends. I tend to interpret those traits positively as being task-focused, to-the-point, and well-educated, but naturally I'm biased in any self-assessment. Scientists in general have a reputation for that sort of thing and I suspect I'm no exception. I'll admit I don't tend to take these sort of accusations very seriously when they come from people on this forum though, as I usually perceive the people making them as being at least as arrogant as they are accusing me of being and far far less knowledgeable about the very material they are being arrogant about. Perhaps I'm right, perhaps that's me projecting my own arrogance into their posts and attitudes, I don't know if it's possible for me to accurately asses that.
              Starlight - I actually know scientists in real life - not just ones who claim to be scientists on the internet. The ones I know - to a person - tend to seek out fact, not gossip, and to gather more facts before jumping to conclusions. This is why I don't take you seriously - you seem to gladly receive gossip, make assumptions based on that, and lash out.

              Perhaps a lot of anti-science climate-change-skeptics
              And, here you go again. A skeptic is not necessarily "anti-science". I'm certainly not.

              don't perceive how arrogantly they come across when they make declarations about scientists in general,
              And, here you go making more accusations you cannot prove. So far (unless you do it while I'm typing) you haven't even attempted to defend your false accusations against me. This also causes me to NOT want to take you seriously.

              science as a whole, or current climate change consensuses worked on by tens of thousands of scientists, and how arrogant it looks when they themselves declare in their own wisdom (such as it is) that they are right on this issue and all the experts are wrong. From where I'm sitting, calling tens of thousands of experts wrong, based on one's own ignorance, looks immensely arrogant, far more so than any snide comments in an internet forum could ever be. I don't really know how any amount of personal arrogance on my part no matter how much I tried to project disdain and contempt through my posts, could ever actually compare to that.

              I do see climate change as a major threat facing the world, and am deeply concerned about its possible future effects ranging from massive forest fires, to damaging natural disasters, to loss of arable land, to rising sea levels wrecking coastal settlements, to massive numbers of refugees being created across the middle east and asia if those areas of the world become too hot to live in. It annoys me when people oppose taking basic steps to address or mitigate these risks, or make ideologically driven attacks against science in general as part of an effort to discredit the current scientific consensus about the process of climate change.
              OK, so, let's see.... you claim to "see climate change as a major threat facing the world", so what are you doing about it? How effective is it for you to make false accusations and assumptions against persons who ask legitimate questions?

              You're like the street preacher who screams "ALL YOU GOD-FORSAKEN REPROBATES ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!!" What does that accomplish?

              You're not here to reason, Star - you're here to do battle.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                Hey Mr Scientist, how bout responding to this...

                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                You arrogantly pontificate about how all the experts are wrong,...
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Can you please show me where I 'pontificated' any such thing? I believe this is an outright lie.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I missed the part where you apologized for swallowing JimL's gutless dishonest gossip about me, and jumped to the conclusion that I'm a denier.
                  You might want to actually read before jumping to conclusions about others jumping to conclusions, CP. I didn't accuse you of being a climate denier, I asked you if you were a climate denier. My assumption though is that you are, otherwise I don't think you would be searching for and posting this kind of irrelevant trivia as if to say, see the scientist are idiots and don't know what they're talking about. It's like your denial about your being a Trump supporter, you deny, deny ,deny, and then you go about defending Trump every chance you get.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    You might want to actually read before jumping to conclusions about others jumping to conclusions, CP. I didn't accuse you of being a climate denier, I asked you if you were a climate denier.
                    And, if YOU had been actually reading, you'd know the answer. It was your typical gutless way of making an accusation - it was not a sincere question, and don't pretend it was.

                    My assumption though is that you are,
                    EGGzackly - because that is the conclusion to which you jump.

                    otherwise I don't think you would be searching for and posting this kind of irrelevant trivia as if to say, see the scientist are idiots
                    Yet another idiot assumption.

                    and don't know what they're talking about. It's like your denial about your being a Trump supporter, you deny, deny ,deny, and then you go about defending Trump every chance you get.
                    And, there you go again, making jackass idiot claims based on your own anti-Christian bias.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      You might want to actually read before jumping to conclusions about others jumping to conclusions, CP. I didn't accuse you of being a climate denier, I asked you if you were a climate denier.
                      Yet you agreed with Starlight, who explicitly made that assumption, in post #11. Own it, O gutless one.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        Yet you agreed with Starlight, who explicitly made that assumption, in post #11. Own it, O gutless one.
                        The irony is priceless.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Yet you agreed with Starlight, who explicitly made that assumption, in post #11. Own it, O gutless one.
                          Boy, you guys really do only see what you want to see don't you? In post #11 star didn't even mention CP, or anyone in particular, we were speaking of republicans in general and how they automatically disagree with anything liberals believe. If it weren't for us terrible liberals who believe in the science, you conservatives might even free yourselves up to admit to the reality of climate change. But so long as we believe in it, you'll continue to feign ignorance.
                          Last edited by JimL; 11-17-2018, 10:04 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            But so long as we believe in it, you'll continue to feign ignorance.
                            Well, at least you never have to feign it, Jim.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Boy, you guys really do only see what you want to see don't you? In post #11 star didn't even mention CP, or anyone in particular, we were speaking of republicans in general and how they automatically disagree with anything liberals believe.
                              Amazingly enough, that does not describe me. Every once in a blue moon, you manage to get something right. If liberals weren't so often badly wrong, I might agree with them more often.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                In front of the principal (who, she apparently thought would have her back) she boasted "Well, I am a PROFESSIONAL EDUCATOR, and you're just a parent!"
                                The average person can reasonably comment on the quality of teaching. Most people have had up to 100 teachers in their life and endured 30,000 hours or so of being taught. So they know what a teacher is, and does, and can tell good and bad teachers apart.

                                The average person doesn't, on the other hand, tend to have a particularly good grasp of what it is that scientists tend to get up to, and how academic or scientific institutions tend to work. They haven't spent 30,000 hours of their lives working directly with up to 100 scientists. They're going to suffer from the oft-mentioned-on-this-forum Dunning Kruger effect where they have so little knowledge of the subject that they don't realize how little they understand about it.

                                So the "a teacher once tried to tell me I wasn't qualified to assess their teaching and I should leave it to the PROFESSIONALS" anecdote is fine for teaching because obviously everyone does actually know lots about teaching, but it doesn't really apply to science where the average person doesn't really have the first clue.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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