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  • Will Pelosi be Speaker? Or Fudge?

    Marcia Fudge is thinking about challenging Pelosi.

    Pelosi was trying to make it all about the MEN who are challenging her. Now she might have a black WOMAN.... that could be interesting.

    Marcia Fudge, an Ohio Democrat, might challenge Nancy Pelosi

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    The vocal contingent of anti-Nancy Pelosi Democrats call for new leadership is coalescing around one name as the alternative: Ohio Democrat Rep. Marcia Fudge, who says she is thinking about throwing her name in the mix.

    Fudge, a 66-year-old, six-term Congress member from the Cleveland region, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer earlier this week that she was considering a bid for speaker, a decision she says she will reach either by the end of this week or after Thanksgiving.

    While still a relative unknown nationally, Fudge has held some prominent roles both as a leader in the national Democratic Party and in Congress as the former chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, a cohort of mostly Democratic black lawmakers who have traditionally been close allies of Pelosi’s. If Fudge runs, she would have to mount an incredible upset to oust Pelosi, who’s led the Democratic caucus for nearly 16 years.

    Fudge told the Washington Post that she has been “overwhelmed” by how many of her colleagues have been pushing her to run for speaker. Notably, those include some of the most prominent anti-Pelosi moderate Democrats, such as Reps. Seth Moulton and Tim Ryan, who are among 17 lawmakers who signed a letter in opposition to Pelosi’s bid for speaker. Fudge has also signed the letter.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    I think Pelosi will be speaker. If the Democrats have proven anything these past two-years, it's that they have no new ideas.

    To be fair, neither do the Republicans despite Trump's best efforts.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Out of curiosity, has there ever been a case where the elected Speaker was from the minority party due to the majority party being split between multiple candidates?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I think Pelosi will be speaker. If the Democrats have proven anything these past two-years, it's that they have no new ideas.

        To be fair, neither do the Republicans despite Trump's best efforts.
        IF (as I just heard) the vote for Speaker is by secret ballot, she may lose. IF she actually can know who votes against her - Hell hath no fury....
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
          Out of curiosity, has there ever been a case where the elected Speaker was from the minority party due to the majority party being split between multiple candidates?
          Probably the closest was in 1855, when three parties came into play and nobody could get a clear majority for the House race. A compromise candidate from the Know Nothing Party, which had the fewest elected Representatives of the three respective parties, ended up as Speaker.

          Incidentally, that's similar to how Warren G. Harding won the Republican nomination in 1920. He was nobody's first choice, but ended up as a compromise forged in a hotel room overnight. That's where the phrase smoke filled room comes from.
          Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-16-2018, 08:32 PM.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Among progressives, Barbara Lee seems to be the preferred choice for Speaker. But she's not officially running, so it looks like Pelosi will probably get it by default.

            Pelosi's a bit dotty and corporatist and conservative so I'm not a big fan and would like to see her replaced. She's even against Medicare for All despite 90% of democratic voters supporting the policy. But I do find the utterly over the top right-wing paranoia / outrage about Pelosi to be quite amusing.

            More important, IMO, is that Schumer be replaced as Dem leader in the Senate, he's just utterly incompetent. McConnell runs circles around Schumer. I've never seen a less competent political leader.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
              Pelosi's a bit dotty and corporatist and conservative...
              Conservative?
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Conservative?
                Yes, the problem most progressives have with her is that she's now far too conservative. While she was once upon a time a member of the "progressive" caucus (and their general level of progressiveness isn't very high), she agreed to become a political moderate as part of the deal that originally gave her a leadership role with the Dem party. She's more than lived up to that and is now at the conservative end of the Dem party on issues. A current example being her opposition to the Medicare For All policy that 90% of Dem voters favor and which an increasing number of her own caucus openly support. She also openly opposes "socialism" saying Dems are a "capitalist" party. So she's too conservative for the new generation of more progressive Democrats.

                But perhaps you can tell me what strong progressive causes Pelosi has championed lately? Perhaps I just haven't noticed her fire-breathing liberalism? So tell me all about those wildly progressive causes she's been championing!
                Last edited by Starlight; 11-17-2018, 12:01 AM.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  IF (as I just heard) the vote for Speaker is by secret ballot, she may lose. IF she actually can know who votes against her - Hell hath no fury....
                  If Pelosi says she will be speaker, and she does, then she will be speaker. And thank goodness for that. Guess what, the republicans ran against the evil Nancy Pelosi in the midterms, and they got trounced. She'll be speaker in January,no problem, CP, and that's you republicans worst nightmare.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Yes, the problem most progressives have with her is that she's now far too conservative. While she was once upon a time a member of the "progressive" caucus (and their general level of progressiveness isn't very high), she agreed to become a political moderate as part of the deal that originally gave her a leadership role with the Dem party. She's more than lived up to that and is now at the conservative end of the Dem party on issues. A current example being her opposition to the Medicare For All policy that 90% of Dem voters favor and which an increasing number of her own caucus openly support. She also openly opposes "socialism" saying Dems are a "capitalist" party. So she's too conservative for the new generation of more progressive Democrats.

                    But perhaps you can tell me what strong progressive causes Pelosi has championed lately? Perhaps I just haven't noticed her fire-breathing liberalism? So tell me all about those wildly progressive causes she's been championing!
                    I don't think she is conservative at all star, what she does is compromise in order to bring progressive causes along. Medicare for all for instance would never have passed in 2010, but Obamacare, a big step in that direction, would never have passed either without Pelosi at the helm.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                      She'll be speaker in January,no problem, CP, and that's you republicans worst nightmare.
                      I wonder why you're trying so hard to convince yourself that this is true?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        I wonder why you're trying so hard to convince yourself that this is true?
                        Just trying to teach you something, MM. In your case you'll have to wait until this truth slaps you in the face, and even then you'll look for some way to deny it. What's interesting is how you republicons try so hard to convince yourselves that she won't be Speaker. Republican tactics of demonization against their most feared adversary worked to a degree, but in the end, Pelosi wins!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                          What's interesting is how you republicons try so hard to convince yourselves that she won't be Speaker.


                          Did you not see my first post in this thread?
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post


                            Did you not see my first post in this thread?
                            So then why do you think that I'm trying so hard to convince myself? I'm not trying hard at all, I'm just stating a fact. Your two posts are in contradiction.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                              So then why do you think that I'm trying so hard to convince myself? I'm not trying hard at all, I'm just stating a fact. Your two posts are in contradiction.
                              You're trying very hard to convince yourself that Republicans fear Pelosi.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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