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Will Pelosi be Speaker? Or Fudge?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostRiiiiggghhhtt.
Cognitive Dissonance, JimL. Your mind can't grasp the contradiction and now doesn't know what to believe. Is Trump secretly working with the democrats? Is Pelosi a secret republican? Is Trump trying to sabotage her chances by endorsing her? Is he kissing up to her? Or does he figure it is better to have someone as ineffective as Pelosi stay in power to prevent the democrats from getting anything done?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post17 Democrats pledge to vote against Pelosi for Speaker
In Jimmy WorldTM, that means they are inexplicably afraid of her.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPelosi’s bid for speaker imperiled as public opposition grows
Sixteen Democrats vowed Monday to oppose Nancy Pelosi for speaker on the House floor, placing the California Democrat’s bid to reclaim the gavel in serious jeopardy.
In a highly anticipated letter that went public Monday, the Democrats called Pelosi “a historic figure.“
But, they added, “Our majority came on the backs of candidates who said that they would support new leadership because voters in hard-won districts, and across the country, want to see real change in Washington. We promised to change the status quo, and we intend to deliver on that promise.“
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The letter does not include at least three additional Democratic lawmakers or members-elect who have confirmed to POLITICO that they intend to oppose Pelosi on the floor: Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Abigail Spanberger of Virginia and Jason Crow of Colorado.
That would bring Pelosi’s opponents to a total of 19 members or members-elect committed to voting against her — enough to keep her from becoming speaker should these members refuse to budge.
These Dems must be shaking in their booties!
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Jim, here you are appealing for us to take you at your word....
Originally posted by JimL View PostYou must live in an alternate universe, Sparko. I know what I believe, that's why I specifically told you what I believe, that Trump is kissing up to Pelosi because he knows she will be the next speaker.
The reason he and all republicans fear her is because they know just how effective she has been, and will again be, as speaker.
Also....
I know you people don't get that, but thats because all you know is what the bubble feeds you
like how evil Pelosi is.
Believe me,
if your leadership didn't fear her, they wouldn't have bothered demonizing her for so long.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWho is her challenger, CP?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo has challenged her yet, MM. Tell you anything?
Start worrying, Pelosi will be speaker.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostActually, that's immaterial. If she doesn't have the votes, another candidate will eventually be found. It may take a while.
Why it's not clear whether Nancy Pelosi will become House Speaker again
The week after Thanksgiving, Democrats will take a closed-door, secret ballot vote on the next speaker. They won't have to take a public vote until the House formally convenes for the next session on January 3, 2019. Sometimes, members are known to vote against a candidate for speaker during the secret, closed-door ballot vote but then vote for them on the floor of the House so that they don't prevent the speaker candidate from getting the 218 votes they need. In 2016, 63 Democrats voted against Pelosi for minority leader on a secret ballot.
By Wednesday morning Democrats had netted 27 seats, giving them a 222-seat majority in the House -- just four more than Pelosi will need on the floor to become speaker. There are 13 competitive races that are still too close to call, some of which will likely go to Democrats.
But it's far from a foregone conclusion that Pelosi can't overcome the vote deficit.
And I purposely included that last line in my excerpt to show that I'm aware it's not a "done deal".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostNo has challenged her yet, MM. Tell you anything? Start worrying, Pelosi will be speaker.
But the fact is, she's not guaranteed the job. If the Democrats who pledge to oppose her follow through on their promise, and everybody else votes down party lines, then she will not have the numbers, meaning that a compromise candidate could rise to the top, or she will have to make some major concessions, probably in the form of rules changes and legislative considerations.
Of course there's always the possibility that the Democrats will renege on their pledge, in which case, she's golden.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat remains to be seen, but Fudge is a possibility. And fear from her own colleagues may well be a reason a challenger has not stepped forward. Yet. Time will tell, Jim.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAgain with this delusion that I'm afraid of Pelosi becoming Speaker.
But the fact is, she's not guaranteed the job.
If the Democrats who pledge to oppose her follow through on their promise, and everybody else votes down party lines, then she will not have the numbers, meaning that a compromise candidate could rise to the top, or she will have to make some major concessions, probably in the form of rules changes and legislative considerations.
Of course there's always the possibility that the Democrats will renege on their pledge, in which case, she's golden.
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So do the Republican posters here support Trump's public offer of getting Pelosi some Republican votes to make her speaker?
I thought Republicans hated Pelosi for (no / unspecified) reasons? Why act to support Pelosi getting the role? Because Republicans find it convenient to demonize her in their election ads in order to turn out their gullible voters?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo do the Republican posters here support Trump's public offer of getting Pelosi some Republican votes to make her speaker?
Originally posted by Starlight View PostI thought...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMaking the best of a bad situation (the Dems seizing control of the House), keeping Pelosi as the face of their party (her favorabilities are in the 20s) would probably be a good strategic move.
Her behavior has gotten increasingly bizarre in the past couple of years and having a spotlight on it would be a good thing."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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It seems that Fudge is taking some heat for writing a letter of support for a judge who was convicted of domestic violence and who was recently arrested for the murder of his wife.
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...a letter from 2015 surfaced where Fudge backed former Judge Lance Mason who was convicted of a 2014 assault on his wife. He was convicted of hitting his wife 20 times, and then smashing her head into the dashboard of their car while their children watched from the backseat. Fudge’s letter backing his character, sent to the prosecutor in Cuyahoga County, said Mason’s behavior toward his wife Aisha Fraser during that assault “is out of character and totally contrary to everything I know about him.” Fudge went on to write that Mason “accepts full responsibility for his actions and has assured me that something like this will never happen again.”
That statement was written a bit too soon, perhaps. After a nine-month stint in prison for his conviction on this, he got out and got a job working for the mayor’s office in Cleveland. Then, this weekend, his wife Fraser was stabbed to death–brutally murdered–and while police have not yet charged him, they have taken Mason into custody in the murder of Fraser.
In the wake of this development–and with Pelosi throwing her a plum subcommittee chairmanship next year–Fudge has dropped all opposition to Pelosi and endorsed Pelosi’s bid for the Speakership of the House, effectively ending the rebellion against her.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...er-resurfaces/
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So Fudge showed unconscionably poor judgment. That's hardly new territory for a Democrat. I'm honestly surprised she didn't try to play the race card.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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