Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send mails about government business

[Bill the Cat]

Are you sure that is really your opinion?

Yes. As I said, this is what I do for a living and have for quite a while.

Should she even handle government business before she received her briefings

When it comes to things like scheduling, yes. It's difficult to deal with a transition team without providing them access before all of the necessary training has been accomplished.

and wouldn't you say there are certain basics security wise that you are expected to know if you work at the highest political level?

From what I am reading on the issue, no. Like I said, from the information provided thus far, the only federal records that were discovered to have been handled were family schedules. Those are at best FOUO (unless they involve overseas travel), which can be accessed by a person with even limited access. Dealing with training a slew of "never-before been a politician" and family has been exceedingly difficult.

[Cow Poke]

Welcome, net-nanny. Could you please explain what it is whataboutism about?

Net Nanny is a registered trademark - you're in BIG trouble!!!

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[Bill the Cat]

Even more interesting is this buried six-paragraphs below the attention-grabbing headline:


So... much ado about nothing it would seem.

Actually, it's a bit more than nothing. But it isn't much. For that level of compromise, the worst they can do to her is reprimand her. She's not a federal employee nor an elected or appointed official. She's just family.

[Charles]

Yes. As I said, this is what I do for a living and have for quite a while.



When it comes to things like scheduling, yes. It's difficult to deal with a transition team without providing them access before all of the necessary training has been accomplished.



From what I am reading on the issue, no. Like I said, from the information provided thus far, the only federal records that were discovered to have been handled were family schedules. Those are at best FOUO (unless they involve overseas travel), which can be accessed by a person with even limited access. Dealing with training a slew of "never-before been a politician" and family has been exceedingly difficult.

I don't have to agree with you based on what you do for a living. I am sure you disagree with others who do the same for a living.

I am surprised to see that a better solutions with regards to transitions teams has not been found but I guess I am more concerned about security than most people. Anyway opinions differ even when people have the same expertice.

[Bill the Cat]

I don't have to agree with you based on what you do for a living. I am sure you disagree with others who do the same for a living.

Not asking for your agreement. Just answering why I said what I said.

I am surprised to see that a better solutions with regards to transitions teams has not been found but I guess I am more concerned about security than most people. Anyway opinions differ even when people have the same expertice.

Transitions are always hectic. Things slip through the cracks - especially boring training.

[Cow Poke]

Transitions are always hectic. Things slip through the cracks - especially boring training.

My wife just got her notification that it's time for her multicultural sensitivity training again. She SO looks forward to that, and it gets nuttier every time she takes the training.

[carpedm9587]

Since her use was before she received her briefings, she can not be held culpable.

Seriously? The daughter (and advisor) of the man who campaigned on the use of private email by his opponent uses private email for government business - and because it was "before the briefing," she is not culpable? Seriously? How is it even remotely possible that "private email for government business" was not a huge clanging gong in her mind...?

It seems to me one has to argue that she was either criminally negligent - or criminally stupid.

[rogue06]

Very interesting:



And it is getting even better:



Read the entire article. It does give a balanced and interesting presentation of what went on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f9d_story.html

Secretary of State Ivanka Trump should know better than to use a private server to send classified information

[Charles]

Seriously? The daughter (and advisor) of the man who campaigned on the use of private email by his opponent uses private email for government business - and because it was "before the briefing," she is not culpable? Seriously? How is it even remotely possible that "private email for government business" was not a huge clanging gong in her mind...?

It seems to me one has to argue that she was either criminally negligent - or criminally stupid.

I would tend to agree with you on this. For anyone seriosly concerned about security this is nothing to take lightly upon and there are so many aspects of this that would need to be handled better in order to achieve an appropriate security level.

To just explain it all away with statements that it was before her briefing or that briefings are boring is simply not understanding how essential security is. If someone handles government business from private e-mail you should hear the alarm. We are talking the very basics here. And it is lost on the highest level.

[Cow Poke]

Seriously? The daughter (and advisor) of the man who campaigned on the use of private email by his opponent uses private email for government business - and because it was "before the briefing," she is not culpable? Seriously? How is it even remotely possible that "private email for government business" was not a huge clanging gong in her mind...?

It seems to me one has to argue that she was either criminally negligent - or criminally stupid.

OK, so let's punish her the same way we punished Hillary, but to an understandably lesser extent.

[Bill the Cat]

Seriously?

Seriously.

The daughter (and advisor) of the man who campaigned on the use of private email by his opponent uses private email for government business - and because it was "before the briefing," she is not culpable?

Correct. As I stated above, because she is not an employee, elected official, or political appointee, the worst that can happen to her for mishandling FOUO data is a verbal reprimand.

Seriously? How is it even remotely possible that "private email for government business" was not a huge clanging gong in her mind...?

Because, apparently it was just her and her family's schedule, which she shared with her nanny. She's never been involved with government information handling, so why would she have worried about her own schedule?

It seems to me one has to argue that she was either criminally negligent - or criminally stupid.

what she did is not a crime.

[Charles]

Transitions are always hectic. Things slip through the cracks - especially boring training.

Training on security should not be boring and it should provide information on how essential it actually is.

[Bill the Cat]

Training on security should not be boring and it should provide information on how essential it actually is.

Have you ever taken the DoD Cyber Security training?

[Sparko]

She shared a family schedule using private email? sent to a nanny?

Hangings too good for her.


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If you recall Hillary using a private email address wasn't the problem. It was using it for classified information. And not having it secured in any way. Also since it was government business related to her job as secretary of state, it needed to be archived as official records. I don't think a family schedule falls under that guideline.

[Bill the Cat]

She shared a family schedule using private email? sent to a nanny?

Hangings too good for her.


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If you recall Hillary using a private email address wasn't the problem. It was using it for classified information. And not having it secured in any way. Also since it was government business related to her job as secretary of state, it needed to be archived as official records. I don't think a family schedule falls under that guideline.

It actually does, since it also involves Secret Service travel plans. But again, since she is just family, she isn't culpable in the same way an employee or official is.