Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send mails about government business

[Cow Poke]

What I'm after is evidence for your claim that there was "a practice of changing the headings to thwart the classification system". Preferable from a mainstream source. I don't see anything in either link with regard to that claim.

Ah, ok.... lemme check to see if that was just hype, or if there were actual allegations. It seems like ages ago when this was "news".

[Cow Poke]

What I'm after is evidence for your claim that there was "a practice of changing the headings to thwart the classification system". Preferable from a mainstream source. I don't see anything in either link with regard to that claim.

From Townhall, January 2016

Bombshell: In Email, Hillary Ordered Aide to Strip Classified Marking and Send Sensitive Material

The pertinent part....

The latest batch of emails released from Hillary Clinton's personal account from her tenure as secretary of state includes 66 messages deemed classified at some level, the State Department said early Friday. In one email, Clinton even seemed to coach a top adviser on how to send secure information outside secure channels. Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has repeatedly maintained that she did not send or receive classified material on her personal account. The State Department claims none of the emails now marked classified were labled as such at the time they were sent. However, one email thread from June 2011 appears to include Clinton telling her top adviser Jake Sullivan to send secure information through insecure means. In response to Clinton's request for a set of since-redacted talking points, Sullivan writes, "They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton responds "If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure." Ironically, an email thread from four months earlier shows Clinton saying she was "surprised" that a diplomatic oficer named John Godfrey used a personal email account to send a memo on Libya policy after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi.

[Starlight]

Okay, thanks for that. But it looks like the item in question was just some talking points, not state secrets. Politico's

[Cow Poke]

Okay, thanks for that. But it looks like the item in question was just some talking points, not state secrets. Politico's

Not in those links, but they're close. If I find what I think I remember reading, I'll add it.

Or, BTC was much more "up" on this, so maybe he'll chime in.

[Mountain Man]

Hillary is well-known to be severely technologically challenged. She'd taken so long to learn to use one email account on one device (for her work with the Clinton Foundation that used the Clinton Foundation email server) that she refused to try and learn to swap between accounts or use a second device. She's an old person who barely understands email, not some technological mastermind hacking the system.

Right, she's so "severely technologically challenged" that she provided detailed instructions to aides on how to "scrub" headers from classified emails to get them past the automated censors.

When aides told Hillary that they were having trouble sending talking points because they contained classified information, "severely technologically challenged" Hillary showed a lot of technological savvy when she wrote, "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

But, no, she's just a confused little old lady who doesn't understand none of this here computer stuff.

[Starlight]

Right, she's so "severely technologically challenged" that she provided detailed instructions to aides on how to "scrub" headers from classified emails to get them past the automated censors.

Are those "detailed instructions" you're talking about the sentence fragment "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure"? Because that's the quote your link gives.

She wanted a specific piece of relatively innocuous information (some talking points) her staff were having trouble sending to her, so she asked them to email it to her. She does not appear to have...

provided detailed instructions to aides on how to "scrub" headers from classified emails to get them past the automated censors

...at any point in time. That's just you imagining things.

You make it sound like she sent her staff on the evil genius course of How To Evade Government Security When Carrying Out My World Domination Plan 101, as opposed to getting frustrated one time when they were struggling and failing to send her through her list of talking points.

[Tassman]

but that's not what we learned. You can use personal email accounts in government business. If it is done correctly and not used to send classified information.
If you recall Colin Powell also used a private email address and Hillary tried to use him as an excuse for herself.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...his-supporters

It seems that Trumpian/Evangelical logic is that if Hillary did it = BAD whereas if Ivanaka does it = OK.

[rogue06]

What makes it potentially criminal is the passing of classified information on non-secure servers, and a practice of changing the headings to thwart the classification system, both of which Clinton did.

The changing of the headings and teaching her staff to do so is what demonstrates deliberate intent.

[rogue06]

Right, she's so "severely technologically challenged" that she provided detailed instructions to aides on how to "scrub" headers from classified emails to get them past the automated censors.

When aides told Hillary that they were having trouble sending talking points because they contained classified information, "severely technologically challenged" Hillary showed a lot of technological savvy when she wrote, "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

But, no, she's just a confused little old lady who doesn't understand none of this here computer stuff.

[Starlight]

The changing of the headings and teaching her staff to do so is what demonstrates deliberate intent.

Pity for your conspiracy that that part is fictional.

[Mountain Man]

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It depends on what "parallels" you're referring to. For example, forgetting to pay for an item at the checkout, and grand larceny are both technically stealing ("the parallels are inescapable"), but one is clearly much worse than the other from a legal, moral, and ethical standpoint.

[Mountain Man]

To put it another way, "the parallels are inescapable" only if you deliberately ignore all the ways in which the two scenarios are significantly different.

[MaxVel]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...his-supporters

It seems that Trumpian/Evangelical logic is that if Hillary did it = BAD whereas if Ivanaka does it = OK.

American Oversight is hardly an unbiased, independent agency, though. Six of the seventeen people in its 'team' have previously worked for Democrat politicians, whereas precisely none are listed as having worked for Republicans; two more seem obviously left-leaning (one working for Planned Parenthood, and another investigating 'far-right' groups). That's at least eight out of seventeen that are left-leaning in their politics and/or connected to Democrat politicians; and none who are right-leaning or connected to Republican politicians.

[JimL]

It depends on what "parallels" you're referring to. For example, forgetting to pay for an item at the checkout, and grand larceny are both technically stealing ("the parallels are inescapable"), but one is clearly much worse than the other from a legal, moral, and ethical standpoint.

Ivanka and Jared used private email for government business. How stupid would you say they'd have to be if after their "lock her up" campaign they still didn't realize what they were doing was illegal? What the details of those emails are, whether classified or not, isn't yet known, but they are either extremely stupid, or they think that they're above it all. My guess is the latter.

[Sparko]

Whataboutism at its finest.