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  • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    Some or all of the following: low pay for that area, no benefits, unstable employment, bad working culture/conditions/requirements, no work/life balance, little to no possibility of promotion.
    And who forces people to accept these "bad jobs"? And you consider not having any job at all preferable to working a job that's not ideal?

    Lemme guess, you're going to argue that a universal minimum salary (or some such) would solve this problem?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      She LITERALLY said, "Well, unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs."
      She also said unemployment is low because people are working long hours and can't feed their kids. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?

      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      No PM, bad jobs come from being unsatisfied with taking a menial, grunt job that needs to be done and they were offered money to do and they took the job to pay the bills. Or with doing a boring drudgery type job like data entry.
      Have you ever met a poor person? It is bizarre how ignorant you are about what life is like for America's poor. Here's a hint: they're not doing data entry.

      Sure some jobs are because of bad bosses or bad working conditions. But nobody is forced to take those jobs. And they can always leave. Free country and all that.
      If those are the only jobs available, people are forced to take them.

      But the fact that there ARE such jobs and people are taking two of them, means 1. It is better than having NO job. 2. They are not unemployed. 3. There are enough jobs to go around that people can actually GET 2 jobs where a while back they could not get even one.
      Yes Sparko, not starving and not being homeless are preferable to starving and being homeless. Great point.
      Last edited by Psychic Missile; 12-12-2018, 11:40 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
        She also said unemployment is low because people are working long hours and can't feed their kids. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
        I have seen way too many examples lately (I deal with this on a daily basis) of people complaining they "can't feed their kids", yet they have cable or satellite TV, $900 iPhones* with expensive data plans, $150 tennis shoes....

        It's often about priorities.





        *The KIDS they "can't feed" have these expensive phones and data plans and shoes....
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Here's a good treatment of this exact issue...



          It's interesting to note, also, that she had declared that she would be inaugurated on the 3rd of January, and start signing bills on the 4th. She's nuts. Congressmen do neither.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            And who forces people to accept these "bad jobs"?
            The market. If that's what's available to you, you have to take it.

            And you consider not having any job at all preferable to working a job that's not ideal?
            Why would you think I believe that?

            Lemme guess, you're going to argue that a universal minimum salary (or some such) would solve this problem?
            No, employers not treating employees with scorn and paying people closer to what their labor is worth would solve the problem. Universal health care would help. Universal income would be nice, but it's not realistic.

            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I have seen way too many examples lately (I deal with this on a daily basis) of people complaining they "can't feed their kids", yet they have cable or satellite TV, $900 iPhones* with expensive data plans, $150 tennis shoes....

            It's often about priorities.

            *The KIDS they "can't feed" have these expensive phones and data plans and shoes....
            That's called confirmation bias.

            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Here's a good treatment of this exact issue...



            It's interesting to note, also, that she had declared that she would be inaugurated on the 3rd of January, and start signing bills on the 4th. She's nuts. Congressmen do neither.
            That video is bad. It takes what she's saying out of context like ya'll and the BLS methodology makes counting the number of people with two jobs less accurate. Also, "inaugurate" accurately describes being sworn into office and she said "we" when talking about signing bills, as in the government. I guess if you want to slander someone, it really doesn't matter what they say.
            Last edited by Psychic Missile; 12-12-2018, 11:57 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
              The market. If that's what's available to you, you have to take it.
              Yet, many don't. Many would rather sit at home and collect public assistance.

              Why would you think I believe that?
              It was a question - which you dodged.

              No, employers not treating employees with scorn
              How many employers do this? Who does this? Name names.

              and paying people closer to what their labor is worth would solve the problem.
              This is like the whole "appraisal" process of a home --- you can say "it appraises for half a million", but in reality, it's only worth what somebody is actually willing to pay for it.

              That's called confirmation bias.
              It's called real world experience.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                She also said unemployment is low because people are working long hours and can't feed their kids. Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
                because she said a second stupid thing doesn't negate the first stupid thing, PM.



                Have you ever met a poor person? It is bizarre how ignorant you are about what life is like for America's poor. Here's a hint: they're not doing data entry.
                I thought we were talking about "bad jobs" not "poor people"

                I WAS a poor person, PM. I came from a family that couldn't even afford to send me to trade school much less college. I had to pay for everything myself by working "bad jobs" -- infinitely better than not having any job at all.

                That is what you are not getting. The fact that there are enough "bad jobs" out there that people can get two of them or work 80 hours a week is much better than there being NO jobs out there, like there was a few years ago.





                Yes Sparko, not starving and not being homeless are preferable to starving and being homeless. Great point.
                correct. If you can get a job and not be homeless and starving, then you have it better than someone who can't even get a "bad job" because there are no jobs to be had.

                And today most "bad jobs" are merely things like working at walmart or McDonalds, not slaving on the railroad or digging ditches by hand.

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                • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                  Have you ever met a poor person? It is bizarre how ignorant you are about what life is like for America's poor. Here's a hint: they're not doing data entry.
                  I started out as one. I worked a lot of "bad jobs" to get where I am today, and I routinely work with "poor people". We actually run a "Jobs for Life" program which helps them learn skills (like data entry), but one of the first things we have to teach them is the prioritization of life. Spending money they don't have on things they don't need is a HUGE problem.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Also PM who said these were "bad jobs?" That seems to be something you just decided to sneak into the debate on your own. She just said they had two jobs or worked 80 hours.

                    Her point seemed to be that people had to have 2 jobs or work more hours to pay their bills. Which might be true. Many families have both parents working for instance. But that doesn't equate to them being "bad jobs" or "greedy employers" and it certainly has NOTHING to do with the unemployment rate being lower as she claimed. That seems to be a non-sequitur.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      I started out as one. I worked a lot of "bad jobs" to get where I am today, and I routinely work with "poor people". We actually run a "Jobs for Life" program which helps them learn skills (like data entry), but one of the first things we have to teach them is the prioritization of life. Spending money they don't have on things they don't need is a HUGE problem.
                      What? Poor people actually do data entry? But PM said they didn't!

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        What? Poor people actually do data entry? But PM said they didn't!
                        We actually have a number of local employers who wait for our Jobs for Life graduations, because they know the graduates have learned to do that kind of work. Some of our graduates go on to be welders, welding inspectors, quality control specialists, shipping and receiving (which includes, of course, a lot of data entry).... but, yes, quite a number of the women (we don't push it that way - it just seems to happen) end up doing data entry for a large insurance outfit here, and a number of other industries.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Also PM who said these were "bad jobs?" That seems to be something you just decided to sneak into the debate on your own. She just said they had two jobs or worked 80 hours.

                          Her point seemed to be that people had to have 2 jobs or work more hours to pay their bills. Which might be true. Many families have both parents working for instance. But that doesn't equate to them being "bad jobs" or "greedy employers" and it certainly has NOTHING to do with the unemployment rate being lower as she claimed. That seems to be a non-sequitur.
                          She babbled a whole lot of nonsense, and got a whole lot of things really wrong. PM just feels an obligation to defend her because we're picking on her.

                          But, she's cute!!!

                          Here's some more of her economic brilliance...

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            She babbled a whole lot of nonsense, and got a whole lot of things really wrong. PM just feels an obligation to defend her because we're picking on her.

                            But, she's cute!!!

                            Here's some more of her economic brilliance...

                            uh she just complained how people had to work 2 jobs and 80 hours a week and could barely feed their kids and here she is proposing raising taxes and imposing a carbon tax which would, like in France, raise fuel costs, heating costs, electricity costs across the board for all of those people who already can't afford to feed their kids.

                            Someone needs to check her credentials out and see if she really did graduate with a degree in economics.

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                            • Originally posted by Idiotiic Missile View Post
                              She also said unemployment is low because people are working long hours and can't feed their kids.
                              It's an ignorant statement because, first of all, people working long hours doesn't affect the unemployment rate. At all. Not even a little.

                              And secondly, the data shows that it's the high wage earners who are most likely to work long hours while people in low paying jobs tend to work the customary 40-hours a week or less.

                              I'm not sure why you're trying to defend this nuttery.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Someone needs to check her credentials out and see if she really did graduate with a degree in economics.
                                Affirmative action diploma?
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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