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House Democrats Don't Know What to Make of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThe sentence before was "You look at the figure and say oh, unemployment is low, everything is fine." Her sentence after was "Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week, and can barely feed their kids." Context is important.
Don't know why you're "but Obama"-ing this either, she didn't single out an administration.
And I'm not "Obama-ing" anything but rather pointing out that the period when many folks needed two jobs because there just weren't any full time jobs around was during the previous Administration not now. Currently there are more jobs, at every level (unskilled to high tech), than there are people available to fill them.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSorry PM, but how many hours someone is working a week has no effect on the unemployment rate. Maybe the two of you could enroll in a remedial basic economics class.
And I'm not "Obama-ing" anything but rather pointing out that the period when many folks needed two jobs because there just weren't any full time jobs around was during the previous Administration not now. Currently there are more jobs, at every level (unskilled to high tech), than there are people available to fill them.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn this case, the "context" does nothing to de-nuttify her statement, PM.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThe context is that in spite of low unemployment people have bad jobs. It is the job of rags to find any ambiguity in the words of their opponents and to create a new narrative. You do yourself a disservice to take these stories at face value.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Yawn, AOC's point was that the government's unemployment statistic being low isn't the whole story, because a lot of people have bad/low-paying jobs, are having to work multiple jobs to make ends meet, are working really long hours etc. That's not particularly controversial or interesting.
What is interesting, from a psychology standpoint, is why so many right-wingers, many of whom themselves have previously criticized the government's unemployment statistic as not being the full story, choose to willfully take the silliest possible interpretation of AOC's words and repeat it as if it's evidence she is stupid/ignorant/uneducated. I suspect these right wingers feel threatened by an intelligent, beautiful, educated, woman of color, who is smarter than they are. So they dismiss her as "cute" or "stupid" in various condescending and misogynist ways."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThe context is that in spite of low unemployment people have bad jobs. It is the job of rags to find any ambiguity in the words of their opponents and to create a new narrative. You do yourself a disservice to take these stories at face value.
And again that has nothing whatsoever to do with the unemployment rate being, as she, claimed, being lower because people were working two jobs. Whether someone has one, two or even three jobs won't change the number. That is where both she and you are incredibly ignorant.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYawn, AOC's point was that the government's unemployment statistic being low isn't the whole story
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut her claim was that the unemployment rate was way down because people had multiple jobs. It is that simple."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostIn context the point she was trying to make was quite clear, but she muddled up the phrasing of one of her sentences. Don't be one of the losers trying to take her out of context to misconstrue her point.
Look, man, that's just a nutty, ignorant, hyperbolic statement no matter how you try to spin it. For one thing, less than 5% of working Americans have more than one job.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=kxGo
And secondly, the average work week in America is 34-hours.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/wh...the-us-2060631
So not only does she apparently have no idea how unemployment is calculated, but she doesn't even have her basic facts about the labor market correct.
And this woman is supposed to have a degree in economics? I'm guessing she went to same school where you studied science.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Postbecause everyonebut many people have two jobs. Unemployment is low,because
Look, man, that's just a nutty, ignorant, hyperbolic statement no matter how you try to spin it.
It's also amusing how much energy and focus right-wingers put into the idea that the intelligent and educated AOC might have phrased one point badly among her many on-air and off the cuff comments, when on the other hand there's Trump the bumbling moron who can't got a day without making up 10 completely idiotic claims and showing his ignorance of absolutely everything. The sheer desperation for right-wingers to try and find some sort of false equivalence to his driveling imbecilicism is amusing.
And this woman is supposed to have a degree in economics? I'm guessing she went to same school where you studied science.Last edited by Starlight; 12-12-2018, 06:04 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostOr maybe "Unemployment is low because everyone has bad jobs."
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