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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    About your ad hominem and genetic fallacy? No, not really.
    Don't you care that the profit motive trumps the dire warnings of science re global warming? Why are you so predisposed to reject global warming given the likely catastrophic consequences, as spelt out by the vast majority of scientists? You have yet to answer this?
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      Don't you care that the profit motive trumps the dire warnings of science re global warming? Why are you so predisposed to reject global warming given the likely catastrophic consequences, as spelt out by the vast majority of scientists? You have yet to answer this?
      I have to assume he's getting paid to do this, because nobody can be that stupid, can they?
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        I have to assume he's getting paid to do this, because nobody can be that stupid, can they?
        Yes they can. I think he sees the pending global catastrophe as a sign of the end times and therefore to be helped along rather than prevented.

        " We can see the world is in crisis now with economic troubles, uprisings, riots, wars, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanos erupting, "terrorism", famine. But there is yet another possible huge crisis to hit the world. This crisis to come upon the world will be the catalyst for the governments to bring on the mark of the beast. It could be another 9/11 type "terrorist" event, or a big natural disaster. Whatever it is, there is a big crisis coming".

        http://www.signs-of-end-times.com/en...cy-events.html
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
          Meanwhile, big oil is investing Billions into alternative energy...so, they are helping with the solution regardless of their supposed stance on the AGW issue.
          They have to. It is good they are doing it now. I doesn't change the fact they have been funding anti climate sites and research.

          Jim
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #20
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            They have to.
            ummm...no, they don't....at least not yet. Between oil sands and fracking, they estimate we have many years of oil reserves
            It is good they are doing it now.
            agreed
            I doesn't change the fact they have been funding anti climate sites and research.

            Jim
            But doesn't it become much more of a moot point now?
            "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

            "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
              ummm...no, they don't....at least not yet. Between oil sands and fracking, they estimate we have many years of oil reserves
              Well they do have to despite the years of oil reserves, because of public pressure and government legislation at the international level.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #22
                The Heartland Institute has a long history of ginning up " alternate science" for cash. At one time they argued that cigarettes are good for you. Guess who was paying them for that.
                Before the Heartland Institute became famous for its leading role in climate change denial, the group spent many years working to defend the tobacco industry. Just as the group is now known for its over the top attacks on climate scientists, Heartland once played a large role in criticizing public health experts and others calling attention to the dangers of cigarette smoking.

                At a mining conference in Denver earlier this month, Republic Report spoke to the Heartland president Joe Bast about his past support for the tobacco industry. In an opinion column titled "Five Lies About Tobacco," Bast once repeatedly claimed that health concerns regarding cigarette smoking were overblown and worth ignoring. At first, Bast denied that he had ever dismissed concerns about smoking and disputed the quote we read to him.

                "In 1998, you wrote in a Heartland op-ed that smoking cigarettes has little to no adverse health effects," we noted. "Do you stand by that?"

                "No, I never wrote that," replied Bast. "Why would I have written something like that?" Bast asked to see the op-ed, and promised to "contest" it.

                Later, Republic Report returned and read Bast's op-ed to him.
                https://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/05...-smoking-risks

                There's more. Worth reading.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Yes they can. I think he sees the pending global catastrophe as a sign of the end times and therefore to be helped along rather than prevented.
                  It's one thing to defend your position - it's another to assign a position to your opponent for which you have no evidence whatsoever. This is the kind of thing that earns you that nickname I'm trying not to call you anymore, but you persist in trying to own.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    Today, we know that sugar, guns, fossil fuels, and alcohol have similar negative impacts on the human person, and the sugar, gun, fossil fuels and alcohol industries are engaged in exactly the same kind of behavior - flooding the market with pseudo science and constitutional arguments and throwing enough smoke in the air to perpetuate their business models for at least several years (or decades?) - to the detriment of us all.
                    You think it's a recent revelation that guns are able to kill people and that alcohol can have negative consequences for your health?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                      You think it's a recent revelation that guns are able to kill people and that alcohol can have negative consequences for your health?
                      No - I think it has become a more significant issue since the NRA shifted way over the right in the infamous coup in the late 1970s.

                      Alcohol has come in and out of focus over the years. That one is nowhere near at its peak today. I would give that honor to the prohibition period.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        No - I think it has become a more significant issue since the NRA shifted way over the right in the infamous coup in the late 1970s.
                        How would people not know until the 1970's that guns have "negative impacts on the health" of someone? Do you think people were using them as weapons in wars without knowledge that guns can hurt or kill people?

                        Alcohol has come in and out of focus over the years. That one is nowhere near at its peak today. I would give that honor to the prohibition period.
                        There are warnings against excessive drinking as far back as the Old Testament; it's not some new revelation that drinking too much can have negative health effects.

                        Your inclusion of guns and alcohol, that people have known for centuries if not millennia to be dangerous to health (and in the case of guns, was kind of the point) as something that people have only recently stumbled upon as being dangerous is confusing to me.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          How would people not know until the 1970's that guns have "negative impacts on the health" of someone?
                          I think you need to read my response again.

                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          Do you think people were using them as weapons in wars without knowledge that guns can hurt or kill people?
                          No.

                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          There are warnings against excessive drinking as far back as the Old Testament; it's not some new revelation that drinking too much can have negative health effects.
                          I don't believe any of my posts were about it being a "new revelation."

                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          Your inclusion of guns and alcohol, that people have known for centuries if not millennia to be dangerous to health (and in the case of guns, was kind of the point) as something that people have only recently stumbled upon as being dangerous is confusing to me.
                          "Today we know" does not translate to "yesterday we didn't." The point of my post was that the issues have become more to the forefront and the industries are rallying to protect their businesses. Guns for sure. Alcohol is less visible, but do a quick search on "alcohol targeting youth" and you'll see what I mean.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            No - I think it has become a more significant issue since the NRA shifted way over the right in the infamous coup in the late 1970s.

                            Alcohol has come in and out of focus over the years. That one is nowhere near at its peak today. I would give that honor to the prohibition period.
                            You know what sells the most guns? Liberals talking about banning them, or passing more restrictions on them. People buy guns in protest or to make sure they have them in case the loonies actually get their way. I got my handgun license and my handgun as a political statement against liberals talking about banning AR-15s and all that nonsense. Until last year, when I got my gun, I hadn't owned a gun in over 20 years, although I supported gun ownership. My last gun was a 12 ga. shotgun I got as a teenager.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              You know what sells the most guns? Liberals talking about banning them, or passing more restrictions on them. People buy guns in protest or to make sure they have them in case the loonies actually get their way. I got my handgun license and my handgun as a political statement against liberals talking about banning AR-15s and all that nonsense. Until last year, when I got my gun, I hadn't owned a gun in over 20 years, although I supported gun ownership. My last gun was a 12 ga. shotgun I got as a teenager.
                              Oh I know, Sparko. Any talk about guns sends the gun-right activists back to the stores. It explains why gun manufacturing has gone from 2M per year to almost 12M per year in the U.S., why there are more guns than people in the U.S. (at 12 guns per 10 people, a rate higher than any other country on the planet), and why 50% of those guns are owned by 3% of the population.

                              But I don't see that fear that it will make gun advocates buy more guns is a rational basis for NOT talking about gun control. If that's the argument you're making, it's not a good one.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                Oh I know, Sparko. Any talk about guns sends the gun-right activists back to the stores. It explains why gun manufacturing has gone from 2M per year to almost 12M per year in the U.S., why there are more guns than people in the U.S. (at 12 guns per 10 people, a rate higher than any other country on the planet), and why 50% of those guns are owned by 3% of the population.

                                But I don't see that fear that it will make gun advocates buy more guns is a rational basis for NOT talking about gun control. If that's the argument you're making, it's not a good one.
                                Just responding to your trope about the NRA. The liberals are the biggest gun salesmen in America. If they would just leave the 2nd amendment alone, I bet gun sales would drop! They are creating a demand by trying to create a shortage. Marketing 101.

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