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    Over the past several years a group of US federal agencies have been working together to crunch the data and come up with their views on climate change. This is separate to the UN's IPCC, or any other groups, and is US specific. That "team of 13 federal agencies... including 300 leading scientists roughly half from outside the government" released stage 2 of its report today. Stage 1 analysed whether the climate trends are natural or human-caused, and concluded they are human-caused. Stage 2 assesses the damage that a changing climate will cause to the US.

    Climate change will shrink US economy and kill thousands, government report warns:

    ...the economy could lose hundreds of billions of dollars -- or, in the worst-case scenario, more than 10% of its GDP -- by the end of the century...

    It's the second of two volumes. The first, released in November 2017, concluded that there is "no convincing alternative explanation" for the changing climate other than "human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases."...

    The costs of climate change could reach hundreds of billions of dollars annually, according to the report. The Southeast alone will probably lose over a half a billion labor hours by 2100 due to extreme heat.

    Farmers will face extremely tough times. The quality and quantity of their crops will decline across the country due to higher temperatures, drought and flooding. In parts of the Midwest, farms will be able to produce less than 75% of the corn they produce today, and the southern part of the region could lose more than 25% of its soybean yield.

    Heat stress could cause average dairy production to fall between 0.60% and 1.35% over the next 12 years -- having already cost the industry $1.2 billion from heat stress in 2010...

    Higher temperatures will also kill more people, the report says. The Midwest alone, which is predicted to have the largest increase in extreme temperature, will see an additional 2,000 premature deaths per year by 2090.

    There will be more mosquito- and tickborne diseases like Zika, dengue and chikungunya. West Nile cases are expected to more than double by 2050 due to increasing temperatures.

    Expect asthma and allergies to be worse due to climate change.

    No one's health is immune from climate change, the report concludes. People will be exposed to more foodborne and waterborne diseases. Particularly vulnerable to higher temperatures in the summer, children, the elderly, the poor and communities of color will be at a much greater risk for illness and death...

    Wildfire seasons -- already longer and more destructive than before -- could burn up to six times more forest area annually by 2050 in parts of the United States. Burned areas in Southwestern California alone could double by 2050...

    Along the US coasts, public infrastructure and $1 trillion in national wealth held in real estate are threatened by rising sea levels, flooding and storm surges.

    Not good.
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  • #2
    sounds like the same stuff they were claiming 20-30 years ago that never happened. But then I am not a scientist so my observations dont count.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      sounds like the same stuff they were claiming 20-30 years ago that never happened.
      Somehow I seriously doubt it's the same "they".

      Did some random tabloid journalists 30 years ago write pieces based on nothing to try and sell copies that read "World will be destroyed in 30 years by warming/cooling/meteors/aliens/pandemics/oil shortages/food shortages/overpopulation etc"? Sure.

      Did the US federal government issue a detailed multi-department analysis on the topic 30 years ago that turned out to be ridiculously wrong? No. Their first report came out in 2000 and was mostly a discussion about what the situation was likely to be like in 2100 and the high levels of uncertainty there was around their predictions.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        sounds like the same stuff they were claiming 20-30 years ago that never happened. But then I am not a scientist so my observations dont count.
        And if "they" are right?
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Did some random tabloid journalists 30 years ago write pieces based on nothing to try and sell copies that read "World will be destroyed in 30 years by warming/cooling/meteors/aliens/pandemics/oil shortages/food shortages/overpopulation etc"? Sure.
          Got a cite for that?






          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            In the 1960s and 1970s, we became aware of the devastating impact of lead consumption on brain development in children. The lead industry responded by swamping the market with pseudo-science, going so far as to claim that lead was "good for you." Lead remained in paint, gasoline, and pipes far longer than it should have, and today we still gave problems with lead in water pipes, lead paint in low income housing, and lead being left in our natural areas and getting into the food cycle by the use of lead bullets and lead fishing weights.

            In the 1980s, the effects of tobacco were well known. But the tobacco industry flooded the market with pseudo science and, using a variety of tactics, continued (and continue) to push forward their products. Today, tobacco use is on the decline in the U.S., but the tobacco industry is as profitable as ever. Why? Because they have taken to peddling their poison to developing countries, using the same tactics.

            Today, we know that sugar, guns, fossil fuels, and alcohol have similar negative impacts on the human person, and the sugar, gun, fossil fuels and alcohol industries are engaged in exactly the same kind of behavior - flooding the market with pseudo science and constitutional arguments and throwing enough smoke in the air to perpetuate their business models for at least several years (or decades?) - to the detriment of us all.

            Sometimes...I just find it all very very tiring...
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #7
              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
              In the 1960s and 1970s, we became aware of the devastating impact of lead consumption on brain development in children. The lead industry responded by swamping the market with pseudo-science, going so far as to claim that lead was "good for you." Lead remained in paint, gasoline, and pipes far longer than it should have, and today we still gave problems with lead in water pipes, lead paint in low income housing, and lead being left in our natural areas and getting into the food cycle by the use of lead bullets and lead fishing weights.

              In the 1980s, the effects of tobacco were well known. But the tobacco industry flooded the market with pseudo science and, using a variety of tactics, continued (and continue) to push forward their products. Today, tobacco use is on the decline in the U.S., but the tobacco industry is as profitable as ever. Why? Because they have taken to peddling their poison to developing countries, using the same tactics.

              Today, we know that sugar, guns, fossil fuels, and alcohol have similar negative impacts on the human person, and the sugar, gun, fossil fuels and alcohol industries are engaged in exactly the same kind of behavior - flooding the market with pseudo science and constitutional arguments and throwing enough smoke in the air to perpetuate their business models for at least several years (or decades?) - to the detriment of us all.
              Yep, there's a long history of industry cash trying to hush-up scientific consensuses they don't like about problems with their industries. Big Oil trying to hush-up/do PR against the scientific consensus around climate change is merely the latest in a long history of this sort of thing. It's sad there's still gullible people who fall for their propaganda after so many iterations of the same type of thing.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                Yep, there's a long history of industry cash trying to hush-up scientific consensuses...
                Or trying to manufacture it.

                As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Source: Experts on Climate Change Assessment: ‘Every Conclusion of This Latest Government Report Is False’

                The federal government’s Fourth National Climate Assessment, released on Friday, has gained praise from leftists and left-wing environmental groups as a dire warning of the coming death and destruction in the United States if we don’t stop global warming.

                But critics of the report, including scientists, have slammed it as “exaggeration,” bad science and even said its conclusions are “false.”

                “This latest climate report is just more of the same – except for even greater exaggeration, worse science, and added interference in the political process by unelected, self-serving bureaucrats,” Tim Huelskamp, president of the Heartland Institute said in statements released by the free-market think tank following the report’s release.

                “With a new volume out in December, The Heartland Institute has published 4,000 pages of the Climate Change Reconsidered series by the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), Huelskamp said. “Those reports cite many hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers that show how every conclusion of this latest government report [is] false.”

                “This report from the climate alarmist Deep State in our government is even more hysterical than some United Nations reports,” Huelskamp noted. “The idea that global temperatures could rise as much as 12 degrees in the next 80 years is absurd and not a shred of actual data and observation supports that.”

                “This report is a scientific embarrassment,” Jay Lehr, science director at the Heartland Institute, said. “Not only does it rely on computer models to predict the climate through the end of the century, it relies on computer models from five years ago that have been laughably wrong, failing to get even close to reality since 2013.”

                Lehr said the report is filled with “blatantly absurd conclusions” designed to put more money and power into the hands of the United Nations.

                https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-report-false/

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                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Yep, there's a long history of industry cash trying to hush-up scientific consensuses they don't like about problems with their industries. Big Oil trying to hush-up/do PR against the scientific consensus around climate change is merely the latest in a long history of this sort of thing. It's sad there's still gullible people who fall for their propaganda after so many iterations of the same type of thing.
                  And now we have Scott Pruitt’s replacement at the EPA, Andrew Wheeler, who also has close ties to the fossil-fuel industry and a similar desire to let “BEAUTIFUL, CLEAN” COAL PLANTS" regulate themselves.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Or trying to manufacture it.

                    As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."
                    The "rest of the story" from your ever so 'balanced' Breitbart report is from a blatant special interest group, The Heartland Institute. This is the same self-serving body that in the 1990s worked with Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans. In the decade after 2000, the Heartland Institute became a leading supporter of climate change denial. It rejected the scientific consensus on global warming, and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy. In short, like the president, the profit motive trumps the dire warnings of science re global warming. Don't you care?
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                      Don't you care?
                      About your ad hominem and genetic fallacy? No, not really.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        The "rest of the story" from your ever so 'balanced' Breitbart report is from a blatant special interest group, The Heartland Institute. This is the same self-serving body that in the 1990s worked with Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans. In the decade after 2000, the Heartland Institute became a leading supporter of climate change denial. It rejected the scientific consensus on global warming, and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy. In short, like the president, the profit motive trumps the dire warnings of science re global warming. Don't you care?
                        IOW - it is EXACTLY like the smoking industry etc.

                        Jim
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Or trying to manufacture it.

                          As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."


                          really? ?

                          In CIVICs you did not reply to the facts mentioned in my post about the using pseudo-science graphs to make a point that isn't real about the US temperature data. And now you are using another pseudo-science groups conclusions to argue with the report.

                          Now personally, the report seems a bit over the top, but nevertheless, it makes much more sense go to the actual science done by actual scientists and not propaganda 'research' funded by adversely affected industries. The point originally made is that a good deal of the push back against AGW is sourced in funding from the oil industry and perhaps others with a lot of money to lose IF we take AGW seriously.

                          So why not move away from that sort of thing and look intelligently at what was said in the report itself and then look seriously at why it may or may not be over the top per the real research and data?

                          Jim
                          Last edited by oxmixmudd; 12-06-2018, 02:43 PM.
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            really? ?

                            In CIVICs you did not reply to the facts mentioned in my post about the using pseudo-science graphs to make a point that isn't real about the US temperature data. And now you are using another pseudo-science groups conclusions to argue with the report.

                            Now personally, the report seems a bit over the top, but nevertheless, it makes much more sense go to the actual science done by actual scientists and not propaganda 'research' funded by adversely affected industries. The point originally made is that a good deal of the push back against AGW is sourced in funding from the oil industry and perhaps others with a lot of money to lose IF we take AGW seriously.

                            So why not move away from that sort of thing and look intelligently at what was said in the report itself and then look seriously at why it may or may not be over the top per the real research and data?

                            Jim
                            Meanwhile, big oil is investing Billions into alternative energy...so, they are helping with the solution regardless of their supposed stance on the AGW issue.
                            "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                            "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                              Meanwhile, big oil is investing Billions into alternative energy...so, they are helping with the solution regardless of their supposed stance on the AGW issue.
                              My prediction has always been that the large shift in the energy sector will come from the established businesses.

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