The obvious implication being that he deserved to be killed.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow do you know it was false?
He went there to live with them and not just stand there and preach. That would entail learning their language from them and most likely learning what he could before he went there.
I also know it's a false impression because the article MM cited as his source for that impression doesn't include anything that supports that impression.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis is Roy you're talking about, in a pissing contest with one of his favorite opponents, MM. If there is any possible way to construe what MM said in an unfavorable light, Roy can be counted on to do so.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGotta love how Yahoo India News reports on Chau's missionary activities:
"enforce Christianity"
"imposing Christianity"
Especially in the latter case they are attempting to give the impression that he was trying to force the Sentinelese natives to become Christian.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Roy View PostYou're welcome to show how to construe "I was under the impression that he knew some very basic words and phrases..." any other way.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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The one thing that concerns me is that it appears he was a graduate (or attendee) of Oral Roberts University, where "word of faith" might play a role in his believing he would be protected because of his faith.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe one thing that concerns me is that it appears he was a graduate (or attendee) of Oral Roberts University, where "word of faith" might play a role in his believing he would be protected because of his faith.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat is a possibility, I would agree. Though what I've heard does seem to indicate he was well aware of the fact he could die as a result of his efforts. "word of faith" doesn't teach that a Christian can't be Martyred. Though some of what it taught/teaches does lead many to expect God will necessarily protect them from most of the more common evils found in the world.
Jim
OTOH, If, for whatever reason, I sincerely believed God was leading in that direction.....
It's a tough one.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Here's an interesting definition, of sorts, of "word of faith", regarding faith....
Faith
Probably the most distinctive teaching of the word-faith movement is "an idealized and prescriptive conception of faith that diminishes the relational and personal dimensions of Christian spirituality... [They push] the logic of faith to an idealized and absolute conclusion"
sourceThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's an interesting definition, of sorts, of "word of faith", regarding faith....
Faith
Probably the most distinctive teaching of the word-faith movement is "an idealized and prescriptive conception of faith that diminishes the relational and personal dimensions of Christian spirituality... [They push] the logic of faith to an idealized and absolute conclusion"
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JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat sounds like a good summary of my experience with that particular idea. Although sometimes I think there is a common interpretive paradigm that it comes from that manifests in other areas, so while many know better than to ascribe to it, similar thought processes produce other idealized dogmas that don't quite mesh with reality or even a more complete assessment of the whole of what scripture is saying. For another forum most likely though
JimThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt is not an unreasonable impression, given that the article states Chau had prepared extensively for the trip. It's sort of an obvious preparation step. It MAY be a wrong impression, but it's certainly not unwarranted.Your assertions are also in contradiction with statements by Sparko and rogue above (posts 85 and 87, respectively). Sparko's, at least, is backed up by a source.
I note you have been unable to construe MM's words to mean anything other than how I understood them - but have moved the goalposts rather than admitting it.Last edited by Roy; 12-04-2018, 12:02 PM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI didn't say it wasn't unwarranted or unreasonable, I said it was false. It is.So? Sources can be wrong. This one contradicts many other sources, including Chau's own words.
I note you have been unable to construe MM's words to mean anything other than how I understood them - but have moved the goalposts rather than admitting it.
I also know it's a false impression because the article MM cited as his source for that impression doesn't include anything that supports that impression.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI showed that your assertion regarding the article was false.I pointed to Sparko and rogue's posts to show that your assertions are not uncontroverted. Are you going to back up your other assertions, or continue making erroneous accusations of goalpost shifting and hope that makes me shut up?
You claimed I construed MM's words in an unfavourable light, but haven't found any other way to construe them. In fact, you're citing sources that suggest you construe them exactly how I did.
I won't waste any more time on this.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI didn't say it wasn't unwarranted or unreasonable, I said it was false. It is.So? Sources can be wrong. This one contradicts many other sources, including Chau's own words.
I note you have been unable to construe MM's words to mean anything other than how I understood them - but have moved the goalposts rather than admitting it.
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