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PARIS BURNS: Riot police fire tear gas as 30,000 protestors furious at Macron

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  • Cars being set on fire during demonstrations seems to be a recurring thing in France. I've heard about it every year for the past ten years. Its nothing new.

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      The US has its own history of violent revolution and violent civil war. Lots of countries have had major violence at one time or another. Your random attack on atheism is irrelevant and bizarre.
      Looks like I hit a nerve. It's only the atheistic revolutions where those in revolt seem to have a penchant for knocking off as many of the old guard as possible.
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      • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        Cars being set on fire during demonstrations seems to be a recurring thing in France. I've heard about it every year for the past ten years. Its nothing new.
        The difference seems to be that, in this case, the firesetting is being done by ethnic Frenchmen, not immigrants.
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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Source: France's protesters are part of a global backlash against climate change taxes


          The single most effective weapon in the fight against climate change is the tax code - imposing costs on those who emit greenhouse gases, economists say. But as French President Emmanuel Macron learned over the past three weeks, implementing such taxes can be politically explosive.

          On Tuesday, France delayed for six months a plan to raise already steep taxes on diesel fuel by 24 cents a gallon and gasoline by about 12 cents a gallon. Macron argued that the taxes were needed to curb climate change by weaning motorists off petroleum products, but violent demonstrations in the streets of Paris and other French cities forced him to backtrack - at least for now.\

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          The problem is trying to force people to stop using petroleum products by punishing them. That never works. They need to provide a better alternative, like cheap electric cars. Then people will want to switch because it is economically beneficial to do so. What good does forcing people to stop using petroleum fuel do when there is no good alternative and they have to pay the increased price to just function? Maybe in a big city they could use mass transit sometimes, but what about people who live out in the country or need a car for other purposes?

          and when the government lines their pockets with the people's money and claims it is for their own good, that is also a good way to tick people off.

          Carrots always work better than sticks.
          Last edited by Sparko; 12-06-2018, 09:20 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Carrots always work better than sticks.
            Unless you're trying to start a fire by rubbing them together. Never could get that to work with carrots.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Unless you're trying to start a fire by rubbing them together. Never could get that to work with carrots.
              carrot.jpg

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                It is a bit cheaper down at my brother's than here but down there they have gasohol (10% ethanol)
                You're a gasohol.

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                  Carrots always work better than sticks.
                  rogue06 Stewart says:

                  Next time you make kabobs instead of using a stick try whittling a carrot down and use it instead (of course you still need something to poke holes through the food first)

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • Looks like they are not giving up, they know violence works...

                    Live: Tear gas, mass arrests as new Yellow Vest protests spread in Paris

                    https://www.france24.com/en/20181208...i-macron-riots
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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Looks like they are not giving up, they know violence works...

                      Live: Tear gas, mass arrests as new Yellow Vest protests spread in Paris

                      https://www.france24.com/en/20181208...i-macron-riots
                      They are idiots. They want Macron gone, but want a MORE liberal leader who will naturally increase taxes, completing the circle for them to continue to chase...
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                      • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        They are idiots. They want Macron gone, but want a MORE liberal leader who will naturally increase taxes, completing the circle for them to continue to chase...
                        FWIU it is more complicated than that. The disturbances have spread well outside of Paris (pretty much nationwide) and in more rural areas much of the opposition comes from conservatives.

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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          FWIU it is more complicated than that. The disturbances have spread well outside of Paris (pretty much nationwide) and in more rural areas much of the opposition comes from conservatives.
                          Yeah there seems to be lots of different perspectives and groups among the protesters, both conservative and liberals. What unites them is opposition to Macron, whose approval rating is in the 20s.

                          Macron is regarded as terrible on both environmental issues and on helping the poor. His proposed fuel tax was regarded as a token gesture on climate change issues that was absolutely detrimental to the poor (who spend a relatively high proportion of their money on fuel), so was hated across the board.

                          I saw an interview with one of the liberal groups protesting, and they were calling for not merely Macron's resignation, but constitutional change in France to a parliamentary system (parliamentary systems are widely regarded by modern political scientists as having proven to be the best systems of government, and France currently has a rather awkward and unwieldy presidential system somewhat like the US does). I don't know how likely this is to actually happen, but clearly the French people at the moment are not happy with their recent governments, as Macron's own election was a situation where all the traditional political parties got panned and the people weren't sure what they wanted but knew they didn't want what they'd been having previously, and now it's clear they hate Macron even more, so dunno where they'll turn next. France has a history of overthrowing its system of govt when the people are really unhappy, so I guess we might see that?
                          Last edited by Starlight; 12-08-2018, 06:16 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Yeah there seems to be lots of different perspectives and groups among the protesters, both conservative and liberals. What unites them is opposition to Macron, whose approval rating is in the 20s.
                            So, what's your take on why he got elected in the first place?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              So, what's your take on why he got elected in the first place?
                              I'm not too well informed on the details of that, but my understanding was that there has been some growing dissatisfaction with some of the major parties in France and voters were starting to look elsewhere, and then in the lead up to the election the major parties had some further public scandals which really put the voters off, leading them to go for novel options. So it came down to two outsider candidates, Le Penn (social conservative, anti-immigration, economic centrist) and Macron (social liberal, economic right-winger) and they went Macron. Now that they've gotten to know him, they hate him with a passion.
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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I'm not too well informed on the details of that,
                                I appreciate the candor.

                                but my understanding was that there has been some growing dissatisfaction with some of the major parties in France and voters were starting to look elsewhere, and then in the lead up to the election the major parties had some further public scandals which really put the voters off, leading them to go for novel options. So it came down to two outsider candidates, Le Penn (social conservative, anti-immigration, economic centrist) and Macron (social liberal, economic right-winger) and they went Macron. Now that they've gotten to know him, they hate him with a passion.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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