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PARIS BURNS: Riot police fire tear gas as 30,000 protestors furious at Macron

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  • I guess Starlight is like the black knight: Tis but a scratch!

    Meanwhile Paris burns, bit by bit.

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    • So I'm very curious. There have been a lot of posts about the "violence of the left." This violence appears to be coming from the right, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of outrage about that. Why the difference?
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        So I'm very curious. There have been a lot of posts about the "violence of the left." This violence appears to be coming from the right, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of outrage about that. Why the difference?
        "The Right" in France is not the same as "the right" in the US.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • It seems like the "Yellow Vest" are more like the US "Occupy" movement than anything the US "Right" does...

          How France’s ‘Yellow Vests’ Differ From Populist Movements Elsewhere

          PARIS — Too little, too late: That was the reaction of the so-called Yellow Vest protesters to the French government’s sudden retreat this week on a gas tax increase. The Yellow Vests, who have thrown France into turmoil with violent protests in recent weeks, say they want more, and they want it sooner rather than later — lower taxes, higher salaries, freedom from gnawing financial fear, and a better life.

          Those deeper demands, the government’s inability to keep up, and fierce resentment of prosperous and successful cities run like an electrified wire connecting populist uprisings in the West, including in Britain, Italy, the United States and, to a lesser extent, Central Europe.

          What ties these uprisings together, beyond the demands, is a rejection of existing parties, unions and government institutions that are seen as incapable of channeling the depth of their grievances or of offering a bulwark against economic insecurity.

          But what makes France’s revolt different is that it has not followed the usual populist playbook. It is not tethered to a political party, let alone to a right-wing one. It is not focusing on race or migration, and those issues do not appear on the Yellow Vests’ list of complaints. It is not led by a single fire-breathing leader. Nationalism is not on the agenda.


          Basically, they've taken to rioting as a means of getting their demands - "lower taxes, higher salaries, freedom from gnawing financial fear, and a better life" - met. Another similarity to the Occupy movement appears to be that, when interviewed, individual Yellow Vests don't really seem to know what they're rioting for.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            So I'm very curious. There have been a lot of posts about the "violence of the left." This violence appears to be coming from the right, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of outrage about that. Why the difference?
            I think we discussed this earlier in this thread. These are more like libertarians than US conservatives. But I did say that what they are doing is wrong. Destroying your own city in protest is not only wrong, but incredibly stupid. I support their cause, but not their methods. They are no better than the antifa in the USA.


            ETA actually looking back at the various stories and articles in this thread the Yellow Vests don't seem to be from any specific political party, it seems to be a non-partisan group made up of dissatisfied working class who's main commonality is tired of being trod on and they hate Macron.

            example: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/w...-protests.html
            Last edited by Sparko; 02-25-2019, 02:18 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Seriously? This isn't the great fire of London. The city isn't burning to the ground. In fact, from the article, not a single building was on fire. Tabloids need to pretend everything is defcon 1 to sell themselves, but you don't need to repeat their nonsense here.....

              French protesters set fires, smash shops in Paris riots


              paris burns.jpg

              PARIS (AP) — French yellow vest protesters set life-threatening fires, smashed up luxury stores and clashed with police Saturday in the 18th straight weekend of demonstrations against President Emmanuel Macron. Large plumes of smoke rose above the rioting on Paris’ landmark Champs-Elysees avenue, and a mother and her child were just barely saved from a building blaze.

              The resurgent violence came as protesters are seeking to breathe new life into a movement that seemed to be fizzling, and get attention from French leaders and media whom they see as underplaying their economic justice cause and favoring the elite.

              Paris police appeared to be caught off guard by the speed and severity of the unrest. French police tried to contain the demonstrators with repeated volleys of tear gas and water cannon, with limited success.

              Cobblestones flew in the air and smoke from fires set by protesters mingled with clouds of tear gas sprayed by police, as tensions continued for hours along the Champs-Elysees.

              One perilous fire targeted a bank on the ground floor of a seven-story residential building. As firetrucks rushed over, a mother and her child were rescued as the fire threatened to engulf their floor, Paris’ fire service told The Associated Press. Eleven people in the building, including two firefighters, sustained light injuries, as other residents were evacuated.


              Let's see... from November of last year.....

              nope, nothing to see here! Move along!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Looting, clashes as Yellow Vests seek new momentum

                Rioters looted and torched shops and businesses on the famed Champs-Elysees avenue in Paris on Saturday, on the 18th weekend of French Yellow Vests protests, characterised by a sharp increase in violence after weeks of dwindling turnout.

                President Emmanuel Macron cut short a skiing trip in the Pyrenees to return to Paris for a crisis meeting, as hooded protesters went on the rampage in Paris, leaving a trail of destruction in the touristic heart of the city.

                He vowed to take "strong decisions" to prevent further violence, following the emergency talks held at the interior ministry late Saturday.

                "There are people today who try by all means... to damage the Republic by breaking, by destroying things at the risk of killing someone," Macron said.....
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Looting, clashes as Yellow Vests seek new momentum

                  Rioters looted and torched shops and businesses on the famed Champs-Elysees avenue in Paris on Saturday, on the 18th weekend of French Yellow Vests protests, characterised by a sharp increase in violence after weeks of dwindling turnout.

                  President Emmanuel Macron cut short a skiing trip in the Pyrenees to return to Paris for a crisis meeting, as hooded protesters went on the rampage in Paris, leaving a trail of destruction in the touristic heart of the city.

                  He vowed to take "strong decisions" to prevent further violence, following the emergency talks held at the interior ministry late Saturday.

                  "There are people today who try by all means... to damage the Republic by breaking, by destroying things at the risk of killing someone," Macron said.....
                  We need prayer for France. These violent protesters do not represent the general population of protesters. These violent ones likely are trying to give improper impressions about the whole movement -- trying to discredit even the peaceful yellow vest people.

                  Macron's statement is hypocritical. Macron has been destroying the Republic by not looking to the will of the people to have a strong nation, free of abusive taxes being endorsed by Macron.

                  The citizens have been injured by abusive police actions ... Specifically I have heard that the non-lethal weapons have caused loss of eyes on many people ... even being pursued when leaving the protest areas..

                  Many nations are facing similar issues of migration, taxes, and of doing imports instead of having manufacturing within one's own nation. The gas tax caused a problem for the middle class who often have to travel long distances to work in the big cities ... but can't afford to live in those cities. It is like the loss of middle class America -- which could result in riots here -- if our governments keep going wild making laws and taxes against the general population.
                  Last edited by mikewhitney; 03-17-2019, 11:33 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                    We need prayer for France. These violent protesters do not represent the general population of protesters. These violent ones likely are trying to give improper impressions about the whole movement -- trying to discredit even the peaceful yellow vest people.
                    It does, indeed, seem to be a case of the more 'moderate' protesters getting tired of the battle and staying home, leaving the more militant of the bunch to 'represent' them. Again, this reminds me (in the current light) more of the "Occupy Movement" than a grassroots protest. But, for the reason stated.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • And AGAIN....

                      Yellow vest anger burns in France, fueled by Notre Dame fire

                      PARIS (AP) — French yellow vest protesters set fires Saturday along a march through Paris to drive home their message to a government they believe is ignoring the poor: that rebuilding the fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral isn’t the only problem France needs to solve.

                      Like the high-visibility vests the protesters wear, the scattered small fires in Paris appeared to be a collective plea to French President Emmanuel Macron’s government to “look at me — I need help too!”

                      Police fired water cannon and sprayed tear gas to try to control radical elements rampaging on the margins of the largely peaceful march, one of several actions around Paris and other French cities.

                      The protests marked the 23rd straight weekend of yellow vest actions against Macron’s centrist government, which they see as favoring the wealthy and big business. Protesters view themselves as standing up for beleaguered French workers , students and retirees who have been battered by high unemployment, high taxes and shrinking purchasing power.

                      But violence and divisions have marred the movement.

                      Associated Press reporters saw a car, motorbikes and barricades set ablaze around the Place de la Republique plaza in eastern Paris. The smell of tear gas mixed with the smoke, choking the air.

                      Paris firefighters — who struggled earlier this week to prevent the 12th-century Notre Dame from collapsing — quickly responded to extinguish the flames at Saturday’s protest.

                      Masked protesters hurled paving stones and flares. Helmeted riot police repeatedly charged as they tried to contain the crowd. AP reporters saw at least two journalists injured in the melee. Troublemakers also ransacked at least two stores and one black-clad protester jumped on a parked Mercedes, smashing its windshields.

                      Paris police said authorities detained more than 200 people by early afternoon and carried out spot checks on more than 20,000 trying to enter the capital for the protest.

                      The violence contrasted sharply with the peaceful atmosphere at another march through Paris, where demonstrators mourned the Notre Dame blaze while also keeping up the pressure on Macron. They tried to march to Notre Dame itself, but were stopped by police a few hundred meters (yards) away.....
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • A real protest usually happens quickly then either dies out, or will come to some resolution. At this point this is just vandalism and people wanting to cause chaos. They have no end-game or list of demands, they just go around burning stuff like an evening sport or something. They seem to be like the Anti-fa nutjobs we have around here. They just show up and instigate problems.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          A real protest usually happens quickly then either dies out, or will come to some resolution. At this point this is just vandalism and people wanting to cause chaos. They have no end-game or list of demands, they just go around burning stuff like an evening sport or something. They seem to be like the Anti-fa nutjobs we have around here. They just show up and instigate problems.
                          Kinda reminds you of the "Occupy" movement, eh? Any excuse to riot and cause mayhem.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Kinda reminds you of the "Occupy" movement, eh? Any excuse to riot and cause mayhem.
                            yeah, even the Antifa seem to have died down.

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