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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne of his 'associates' can't even figure out what a boy IS.
What are you referring to?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post?
What are you referring to?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThings are certainly improving. However people still have to deal with their own families, who can be hostile regardless of what Hollywood celebrities are saying. And socially, even a small minority being against LGBT people is often enough to affect their lives in public - e.g. the vast majority of same sex couples are afraid to walk down the street holding hands like an opposite sex couple would because they would receive hostile responses from some people.
I posted earlier research that looked at 15 years of US data and found that suicide rates and attempts declined state-by-state as those states passed marriage equality laws.
The gay lifestyle is so "in" right now there is even a phenomena called "fauxmosexual" where straight people pretend they're gay or mimic mannerisms typically ascribed to gay people.
1 He would say things like after he would use the bathroom that he just flushed an entire black family down the toilet and the likeLast edited by rogue06; 11-29-2018, 07:21 PM.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYes, there are two effects. The first is social stress/acceptance. A large number of LGBT people report very high levels of chronic stress caused by anxiety about social acceptance. Those who have attempted or contemplated suicide tend to report that this (lack of) social acceptance is the primary factor.
The second is that unusual mental conditions commonly co-occur. e.g. if something unusual happens during brain development of the fetus in the womb, the result might be that when it develops it might have a number of less-common mental features simultaneously - e.g. it might be left-handed, be gay, be unusually good at sports, and have a disposition toward schizophrenia. And those multiple conditions might thus be all a product of something going a bit unusual during development. As a result, scientifically, we can observe that left-handedness correlates with occurrences of homosexuality, as do pretty much all other unusual mental conditions, including mental disorders. So it is more common for left-handed people to have mental disorders than it is for right-handed people to have them, and likewise it is more common for homosexual people to have mental disorders than it is for a heterosexual people to have them, because unusual brain development can produce multiple effects. A consequence of having such mental disorders, tends to be a higher suicide rate.
I tend to sigh whenever I read this sort of claim: It would be nice if such cities actually existed. But what you're talking about are areas where "only" a significant minority of the population is against accepting them. The amount of stress from discrimination experienced by gay people even in "havens" tends to be very high.
On the contrary, rejection by society is a heavily studied phenomena called 'minority stress' and does indeed apply across the board to other groups that are rejected by society. The effects of discrimination and prejudice are pervasive against all groups that are subjected to it.
Suicide data is notoriously difficult to collect, because once dead people cannot fill out a survey, however what data there is suggests that improving acceptance does indeed lower suicide rates. e.g.
Drop in teenage suicide attempts linked to legalisation of same-sex marriage:
Researchers say suicide attempts among high school students fell by an average of 7% following the implementation of the legislation. The impact was especially significant among gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers, for whom the passing of same-sex marriage laws was linked to a 14% drop in suicide attempts.
Not by the official expert definitions of such, and there are good reasons for that.
So you are claiming some sort of ability to "treat" homosexuality in such a way it prevents people killing themselves?! Please share this stunning breakthrough with us! Hundreds of thousands of psychologists around the world have been treating these people for decades and failed to discover your amazing solution! Do tell!
If I seriously thought for a single second that you actually had the least shred of an idea for anything remotely helpful, I would be far less utterly contemptuous of your statements. Psychiatrists around the world have been trying to 'treat' and 'help' gay people for more than 50 years, and do you know what they found? That the main problem these people were facing was lack of social acceptance and the stress and anxiety that comes from that. Their profession had no magic cure for being gay, nor any way to reduce suicide rates by treating homosexuality as a 'disorder', and they were not able to come up with any good 'treatment' for that 'disorder' even though they tried every method including the kitchen sink including many and various things that modern human rights legislation would definitely frown on or outright ban. Instead, they consistently saw that improvements to their patients lives and to their well-being came when others around them were nicer to them and more accepting of them.
And then, here's you, who in arrogance and ignorance come along and basically say "well if you just treated it as a 'disorder' that would totally fix it"?!? Are you nuts? How would it fix anything whatsoever? Step 1, label it a 'disorder', step 2... ??????
Or are you proposing that if only we were all jerks towards gay people, that would totally make their lives better? You think then they'd commit suicide at lower rates, because we were nastier to them?
Why are you implying that I think we should be "nastier" to these people, after I said that it is a tragedy that they are killing themselves at shockingly high rates? I have compassion for them and think that if they and their families had good counseling, they could resolve a lot of their emotional turmoil. A pretty high percentage of them have trauma in their past that even they admit lead directly to their becoming LGBTetc and you want to ignore the problems that trauma has caused them and their families and loved ones? It's not just a benign birth defect like being left handed. People like you want to shut down attempts at figuring out what kind of help they need to live a healthy life when counseling for things like depression has developed over the years and is actually useful nowadays because people were allowed to figure it out. Why shouldn't we figure this out? As long as people oppose therapy that would help people to get past their trauma and develop a healthy sexuality, we'll still see these high suicide rates and that's appalling. I think that people hating them for being the way they are is also a problem, but I rarely see anyone actually oppressing them or actively pursuing persecution against them. Most people openly accept them nowadays. In fact, when my siblings were in high school (some of them went to a public school, I did not), at their school it was a fad to be gay. If you weren't, you weren't one of the cool kids. There's a lot more peer pressure in schools now than there was back then to either be gay/trans etc., or to be extremely supportive of it.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostYour emotional outburst here indicates to me that this is purely an ideological issue for you and not one based on facts and reason.
Why are you implying that I think we should be "nastier" to these people
I have compassion for them and think that if they and their families had good counseling, they could resolve a lot of their emotional turmoil.
A pretty high percentage of them have trauma in their past that even they admit lead directly to their becoming LGBTetc
Trauma can cause temporary gender-identity-disorder, and resolving it can sometimes clear up gender-identity-disorder. But the idea that trauma in one's past makes a person gay? LOL, that's pretty absurd, and reminds me of 19th century quack-psychology.
It's not just a benign birth defect like being left handed.
People like you want to shut down attempts at figuring out what kind of help they need to live a healthy life when counseling for things like depression has developed over the years and is actually useful nowadays because people were allowed to figure it out. Why shouldn't we figure this out?
As long as people oppose therapy that would help people to get past their trauma and develop a healthy sexuality, we'll still see these high suicide rates and that's appalling.
I rarely see anyone actually oppressing them or actively pursuing persecution against them."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostBut the idea that trauma in one's past makes a person gay? LOL, that's pretty absurd, and reminds me of 19th century quack-psychology.
The only explanation that has been able to demonstrate significant evidenced support for why some people (around 15% of homosexual people) are gay is called fraternal birth order. This the fact that when a woman carries a male fetus her body can sometimes start producing antibodies due to the masculinity of the fetus, and repeatedly having male children increases this probability. This antibodies can cause a level of feminization of the developing male fetus by suppressing the masculinity during development including its developing brain. This effect only explains a very small proportion of human homosexuality however."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPot calling the kettle black, methinks.
Because you advocated against "acceptance" of them. The opposite of acceptance is rejection, which is generally very unpleasant to experience.
Good counseling could probably resolve a lot of people's emotional turmoil, in general.
No.
Trauma can cause temporary gender-identity-disorder, and resolving it can sometimes clear up gender-identity-disorder. But the idea that trauma in one's past makes a person gay? LOL, that's pretty absurd, and reminds me of 19th century quack-psychology.
Why not? The experts, after decades of research, consider it to be. What makes you think that being left handed is a "benign birth defect" but being gay is a "mental disorder"?
Do you know just how many decades psychologists and counselors have been trying to 'figure out' the some sort of counselling solution for homosexuality? And do you know just how little it's ever worked?
So you think that (a) some sort of unspecified and undiscovered therapy or counselling would turn these people straight, (b) you're bizarrely convinced gay people's past is full of trauma (is this like Freudian Psychoanalysis where you Know There Must be trauma in their past even if they don't remember it, so you need to dig deep to help them discover their great childhood trauma that they don't remember / don't believe exist?), and (c) you've got the totally unsubstantiated and IMO utterly bizarre view that their suicide rates would go down if they started thinking of themselves as/acting as heterosexuals.
Unfortunately for them, it's their own experiences that matter, not the ones you happen to observe. You could try asking some of them about discrimination they've experienced some time.
2. You live under a rock.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post1. Your reading comprehension skills need some work. Stop saying I said things I never said, and stop ignoring the things I did say.
2. You live under a rock.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I think what is happening is that this poor kid just wants to please his parents. When he is with his mom, he senses she wants him to act like a girl, and so he does. When he is with his dad, he senses his dad wants him to be a boy so he is.
Poor kid is probably completely messed up by his parents and this therapist.
Also for Star, How do they know that this kid doesn't just like to cross dress and is NOT a trans? There actually are heterosexuals who like to cross dress and do not want to transition, how can anyone tell in a 6 year old before he has had time to go through puberty? Another reason not to use hormone blockers and actual hormones on a kid.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post1. Your reading comprehension skills need some work. Stop saying I said things I never said, and stop ignoring the things I did say.
2. You live under a rock.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere actually are heterosexuals who like to cross dress and do not want to transition...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell sure, every once and a while a fella likes to feel pretty...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJust make sure your shoes and purse match.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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