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  • #31
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    do you have some set of physical criteria that could conceivably be met by future technology to qualify as a sex change (e.g. DNA alteration, brain transplant into another body etc)?
    Neither of those possibilities would do more than create a potential brain/body or DNA/body mismatch; they wouldn't create an actual change.
    Having a brain transplant into a different body, or their DNA changed, "wouldn't create an actual change"?
    Are you aiming for the most nonsensical claim ever?

    It's fascinating to me that a scientist would studiously ignore science in favor of subjective feelings

    The scientists tell you about the facts and the science, and that doesn't agree with your own subjective feelings, therefore it must be the scientists who are ignoring the facts.
    Your posts are getting crazier by the hour.

    These threads are a laugh a minute: The scientists on this forum say one thing, the non-scientists respond that those scientific facts don't agree with their own faith therefore the scientists must be wrong about the science.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      A significant body of the scientific literature on transgenderism is concerned with suicide prevention. The primary risk is having them die prior to ever reaching adulthood.
      What's your take on the fact that the suicide rate skyrockets after a sex change operation? And the fact that something like 95% of children who identify as the opposite sex have changed their mind by the time they reach adulthood if they don't take puberty blockers?
      Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post
        What's your take on the fact that the suicide rate skyrockets after a sex change operation?
        That is false. On average post-op transgender people report a greatly increased sense of well-being.

        Their suicide rate doesn't drop as low as that in the general population, and many point to a lack of social acceptance of transgender people as a major factor in this. I think maybe you are confusing the fact that all transgender people (both pre & post op) have a higher suicide rate than the general population, with the idea that the operation itself might be a cause?

        Also, I suspect you're buying into a widespread misunderstanding about sex change operations... they are not as frequent as the public seems to assume and if they happen at all they are the final step of many, many years of medical treatment for transgender people. They are not something done on a whim, or as a "it's the first thing we tried", but usually the result of decades of deliberation. They aren't done on children.

        And the fact that something like 95% of children who identify as the opposite sex have changed their mind by the time they reach adulthood if they don't take puberty blockers?
        Your statistic given here is too high.

        As I said earlier, it is important to keep irreversible treatments to a minimum in case the person changes their mind. Most important of all is the psychological well-being of the patient, and helping them feel comfortable with the situation. Letting them wear clothes of their preferred gender for starters can be a harmless and fully reversible course of action. Chatting with them about how they are feeling about themselves and where they are at, as opposed to trying to impose on them your view of how they should be/feel, can also be very helpful.

        Current research suggests it is often possible to differentiate those children who will retain their alternative gender identity through to adulthood versus those who will not, by assessing the strength of that identity. If they child says they "are" the gender (as opposed to "would like to be" the gender) and rates very strongly on all the gender dysphoria indicators, they are vastly more likely to retain that gender identity the rest of their lives. While those who are only weakly gender dysphoric are unlikely to retain that gender identity long-term, and are highly pre-disposed as adults to both have their gender identity match their birth sex and to identify as homosexual in their sexuality.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post
          What's your take on the fact that the suicide rate skyrockets after a sex change operation? And the fact that something like 95% of children who identify as the opposite sex have changed their mind by the time they reach adulthood if they don't take puberty blockers?
          Could you please post sources for these claims? I'm not saying they're wrong, but I am curious where they come from.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
            Could you please post sources for these claims?
            The idea that suicide rate skyrockets after sex change ops is a meme that comes from a misunderstanding of this study, often called "the Swedish study", that compared a post-op transgender group with the general population (not with pre-op transgender people).
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            • #36
              Originally posted by LeaC View Post
              Indeed, without the threat of suicide, it would be harder to emotionally bully the parents and the public into acceptance of this fiction. If "transgenderism" is truly just a natural variation, as they so often claim, then why do they suffer such severe mental problems, to the extent that they will definitely kill themselves if not sterilized as children?
              A likely answer is stress from dealing with parents and a society that doesn't accept them.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                If "transgenderism" is truly just a natural variation, as they so often claim, then why do they suffer such severe mental problems
                A likely answer is stress from dealing with parents and a society that doesn't accept them.
                Worth a reminder that throughout history societies across the globe have acknowledged that some people don't fit into binary genders and have adopted many and various cultural forms of having additional gender categories to give these people a choice.

                Transgenderism is "natural" in the sense that it has been observed in societies all over the globe and throughout history, and most societies seem to have typically dealt with the phenomena by allowing the people experiencing it to opt-out of their birth gender and opt-in to a 3rd (or 4th or 5th) gender category. The strict binary gender categories of 20th century Western civilization, seem to have been uncommon historically in other cultures.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Interesting - hadn't heard that one, but at least it makes sense.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Having a brain transplant into a different body, or their DNA changed, "wouldn't create an actual change"?
                    Are you aiming for the most nonsensical claim ever?
                    Basic biology is nonsensical now? All a brain transplant would do is put a male brain into a female body, or vice versa. It wouldn't magically change the brain into a female one, or make the construct wholly male or female. Assuming one could change someone's DNA, replace the man parts with lady parts (or vice versa), one still has one's original skeletal structure. All you're doing is putting more and more lipstick on the pig, not changing it.

                    The scientists tell you about the facts and the science, and that doesn't agree with your own subjective feelings, therefore it must be the scientists who are ignoring the facts.
                    Your posts are getting crazier by the hour.

                    These threads are a laugh a minute: The scientists on this forum say one thing, the non-scientists respond that those scientific facts don't agree with their own faith therefore the scientists must be wrong about the science.
                    The more hyperbolic the language you use, the further you go off the rails - as is evident here. Go on, tell me where I'm using "subjective feelings" above. Calling "black" "white" ain't gonna cut it.
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                    • #40

                      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                      You should know by now that everything I say makes sense.


                      I apologize for my lack of faith, ff.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        He-said she-said stories of separated parents squabbling over kids, are unfortunately impossible to analyse seriously because you don't actually know what the true facts on the ground are. One or both parents can be lying to try to get custody or due to an acrimonious separation. I don't see much point in trying to discuss any supposed "facts" of the OP article as a result.

                        Your second sentence is unrelated to the first. What gender a person views themselves as being is quite separate to what gender(s) a person finds sexually attractive. The former tends manifest around age 4 or so, and the second around age 11 or so.

                        If a child's self-identified gender is clear prior to puberty it is pretty important to give medication to block the puberty process from happening, otherwise that causes physical changes to the body that lock-in the physical sex to a significant extent and make any later attempts to alter it to the other sex much more difficult.

                        Fortunately your wild speculations can be tested by empirical data, so it is possible to study the extent to which such changes tend to occur or not occur. And the empirical answer is no, it does not in fact "easily change once the hormones kick in at puberty".
                        I recall when I was 6, I thought girls were gross and had cooties (except mom of course.) When I hit puberty that all changed.

                        And yes, giving a child hormones to subvert puberty is child abuse.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I recall when I was 6, I thought girls were gross and had cooties (except mom of course.) When I hit puberty that all changed.

                          And yes, giving a child hormones to subvert puberty is child abuse.
                          But murdering them after birth is not.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            I recall when I was 6, I thought girls were gross and had cooties (except mom of course.) When I hit puberty that all changed.
                            You mean they don't have cooties?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              But murdering them after birth is not.
                              They are just transliving people. They just identify as dead.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                I recall when I was 6, I thought girls were gross and had cooties (except mom of course.) When I hit puberty that all changed.
                                Yup, your experience agrees with my point.

                                Sexual attraction doesn't tend to manifest until ~11 years of age.

                                However, what gender a person thinks of themselves as, tends to manifest a lot younger (~4), and is a completely different thing. How a person views themselves (e.g. "a boy") is totally different from who they are or aren't sexually attracted to (e.g. "girls"). I'm not sure why you keep trying to link the two.
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