Mom Dresses 6-Year-Old Son As Girl, Threatens Dad With Losing His Son For Disagreeing

[QuantaFille]

Could you please post sources for these claims? I'm not saying they're wrong, but I am curious where they come from.

I can't remember where I read it, I just remember the statistics. I know at least one of the studies I read about was on a group of American (I think?) schoolchildren that were tracked for years, with the same children filling out a survey every couple of years. I know I read about it online but now I can't even remember where I found out about it.

[QuantaFille]

The idea that suicide rate skyrockets after sex change ops is a meme that comes from a misunderstanding of this study, often called "the Swedish study", that compared a post-op transgender group with the general population (not with pre-op transgender people).

The suicide rate among all LGBTetc is much higher than the general population. That doesn't tell you something is wrong? These stats are even from cities which are lauded as havens of acceptance. We're talking about a subgroup of humanity where the rate of attempted suicide is somewhere between a third and half of the entire group. That can't be explained by saying "they don't feel accepted by society". Other groups that haven't been accepted by the general public haven't attempted suicide at the same rates. It doesn't explain the high suicide rates in areas that are extremely accepting of the lifestyle. It is a mental illness, and unless it is treated as such, these people will go on trying to kill themselves, and sometimes succeeding, and that's absolutely tragic. To pretend otherwise as you're doing is heartless and cruel. These people need help and they need it now. Patting them on the back and saying "good for you" isn't doing anything but making the problem worse.

[Starlight]

The suicide rate among all LGBTetc is much higher than the general population. That doesn't tell you something is wrong?

Yes, there are two effects. The first is social stress/acceptance. A large number of LGBT people report very high levels of chronic stress caused by anxiety about social acceptance. Those who have attempted or contemplated suicide tend to report that this (lack of) social acceptance is the primary factor.

The second is that unusual mental conditions commonly co-occur. e.g. if something unusual happens during brain development of the fetus in the womb, the result might be that when it develops it might have a number of less-common mental features simultaneously - e.g. it might be left-handed, be gay, be unusually good at sports, and have a disposition toward schizophrenia. And those multiple conditions might thus be all a product of something going a bit unusual during development. As a result, scientifically, we can observe that left-handedness correlates with occurrences of homosexuality, as do pretty much all other unusual mental conditions, including mental disorders. So it is more common for left-handed people to have mental disorders than it is for right-handed people to have them, and likewise it is more common for homosexual people to have mental disorders than it is for a heterosexual people to have them, because unusual brain development can produce multiple effects. A consequence of having such mental disorders, tends to be a higher suicide rate.

These stats are even from cities which are lauded as havens of acceptance.

I tend to sigh whenever I read this sort of claim: It would be nice if such cities actually existed. But what you're talking about are areas where "only" a significant minority of the population is against accepting them. The amount of stress from discrimination experienced by gay people even in "havens" tends to be very high.

That can't be explained by saying "they don't feel accepted by society". Other groups that haven't been accepted by the general public haven't attempted suicide at the same rates.

On the contrary, rejection by society is a heavily studied phenomena called 'minority stress' and does indeed apply across the board to other groups that are rejected by society. The effects of discrimination and prejudice are pervasive against all groups that are subjected to it.

It doesn't explain the high suicide rates in areas that are extremely accepting of the lifestyle.

Suicide data is notoriously difficult to collect, because once dead people cannot fill out a survey, however what data there is suggests that improving acceptance does indeed lower suicide rates. e.g.

Drop in teenage suicide attempts linked to legalisation of same-sex marriage:

Researchers say suicide attempts among high school students fell by an average of 7% following the implementation of the legislation. The impact was especially significant among gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers, for whom the passing of same-sex marriage laws was linked to a 14% drop in suicide attempts.

It is a mental illness

Not by the official expert definitions of such, and there are good reasons for that.

and unless it is treated as such, these people will go on trying to kill themselves

So you are claiming some sort of ability to "treat" homosexuality in such a way it prevents people killing themselves?! Please share this stunning breakthrough with us! Hundreds of thousands of psychologists around the world have been treating these people for decades and failed to discover your amazing solution! Do tell!

These people need help and they need it now. Patting them on the back and saying "good for you" isn't doing anything but making the problem worse.

If I seriously thought for a single second that you actually had the least shred of an idea for anything remotely helpful, I would be far less utterly contemptuous of your statements. Psychiatrists around the world have been trying to 'treat' and 'help' gay people for more than 50 years, and do you know what they found? That the main problem these people were facing was lack of social acceptance and the stress and anxiety that comes from that. Their profession had no magic cure for being gay, nor any way to reduce suicide rates by treating homosexuality as a 'disorder', and they were not able to come up with any good 'treatment' for that 'disorder' even though they tried every method including the kitchen sink including many and various things that modern human rights legislation would definitely frown on or outright ban. Instead, they consistently saw that improvements to their patients lives and to their well-being came when others around them were nicer to them and more accepting of them.

And then, here's you, who in arrogance and ignorance come along and basically say "well if you just treated it as a 'disorder' that would totally fix it"?!? Are you nuts? How would it fix anything whatsoever? Step 1, label it a 'disorder', step 2... ??????

Or are you proposing that if only we were all jerks towards gay people, that would totally make their lives better? You think then they'd commit suicide at lower rates, because we were nastier to them?

[Psychic Missile]

It is a mental illness, and unless it is treated as such, these people will go on trying to kill themselves, and sometimes succeeding, and that's absolutely tragic. To pretend otherwise as you're doing is heartless and cruel. These people need help and they need it now. Patting them on the back and saying "good for you" isn't doing anything but making the problem worse.

I am very interested in what treatment you have in mind for trans and homosexual people that reduces incidence of suicide.

[Sparko]

Yup, your experience agrees with my point.

Sexual attraction doesn't tend to manifest until ~11 years of age.

However, what gender a person thinks of themselves as, tends to manifest a lot younger (~4), and is a completely different thing. How a person views themselves (e.g. "a boy") is totally different from who they are or aren't sexually attracted to (e.g. "girls"). I'm not sure why you keep trying to link the two.

Because they don't even understand the difference between boys and girls at that age. Wearing dresses and playing with dolls might be something he likes to do and associates with "girls" but he doesn't know the difference, not really. It could be as innocent as wanting to emulate a sports team or superhero to a 6 year old. If a 6 year old insists he is Batman and goes around dressing like Batman everywhere he goes, does that make him a superhero? Should we start training him to fight and start digging a bat cave?

[Sparko]

The second is that unusual mental conditions commonly co-occur. e.g. if something unusual happens during brain development of the fetus in the womb, the result might be that when it develops it might have a number of less-common mental features simultaneously - e.g. it might be left-handed, be gay, be unusually good at sports, and have a disposition toward schizophrenia. And those multiple conditions might thus be all a product of something going a bit unusual during development. As a result, scientifically, we can observe that left-handedness correlates with occurrences of homosexuality, as do pretty much all other unusual mental conditions, including mental disorders. So it is more common for left-handed people to have mental disorders than it is for right-handed people to have them, and likewise it is more common for homosexual people to have mental disorders than it is for a heterosexual people to have them, because unusual brain development can produce multiple effects. A consequence of having such mental disorders, tends to be a higher suicide rate.

So you think that LBGT+ is caused by brain damage during development. Good to know.

[lilpixieofterror]

I do find it amusing how mostly childless liberals, that have never raised children, are trying to tell those that almost all have raised or are currently raising children how to raise children. Do continue.

[Sparko]

I do find it amusing how mostly childless liberals, that have never raised children, are trying to tell those that almost all have raised or are currently raising children how to raise children. Do continue.

I don't have any kids.

Do you?

[lilpixieofterror]

I don't have any kids.

Do you?

[Sparko]

I consider myself an expert on kids. I used to be one.

[Cow Poke]

I consider myself an expert on kids. I used to be one.

Used to be?

[Sparko]

Used to be?

Well I have been accused of never growing up. Just because I like pirates and bacon. Is that fair?

[Cow Poke]

Well I have been accused of never growing up. Just because I like pirates and bacon. Is that fair?

Life's not fair.

[rogue06]

Yes, there are two effects. The first is social stress/acceptance. A large number of LGBT people report very high levels of chronic stress caused by anxiety about social acceptance. Those who have attempted or contemplated suicide tend to report that this (lack of) social acceptance is the primary factor.

For the past several years society at large has literally been celebrating their lifestyle so social acceptance has hardly been a problem yet AFAICT the rates have not declined. In fact in the current environment being a conservative Christian is far more likely to make you an outcast and result in your getting ostracized than being LGBTQQIP2SAA will.

[seer]

For the past several years society at large has literally been celebrating their lifestyle so social acceptance has hardly been a problem yet AFAICT the rates have not declined. In fact in the current environment being a conservative Christian is far more likely to make you an outcast and result in your getting ostracized than being LGBTQQIP2SAA will.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.