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    Trump and Russia

    Over the course of the last two years, more and more information keeps dropping about the links between Trump, the Trump campaign, and Russia. The latest is this admission from Cohen. I'm really curious. At what point will Trump's base acknowledge that their faithful(less?) leader actually had ties to Russia that impacted on his campaign and election? What exactly will it take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Over the course of the last two years, more and more information keeps dropping about the links between Trump, the Trump campaign, and Russia. The latest is this admission from Cohen. I'm really curious. At what point will Trump's base acknowledge that their faithful(less?) leader actually had ties to Russia that impacted on his campaign and election? What exactly will it take?
    Of course Cohen is such a trustworthy and believable source of accurate information and has absolutely no motivation whatsoever to say whatever he thinks that Mueller wants to hear, right carpe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Over the course of the last two years, more and more information keeps dropping about the links between Trump, the Trump campaign, and Russia. The latest is this admission from Cohen. I'm really curious. At what point will Trump's base acknowledge that their faithful(less?) leader actually had ties to Russia that impacted on his campaign and election? What exactly will it take?
    What law is Trump accused of breaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Over the course of the last two years, more and more information keeps dropping about the links between Trump, the Trump campaign, and Russia. The latest is this admission from Cohen. I'm really curious.
    I'm also curious. What will it take for an admitted liar's words to become credible? I mean, aside from when they throw shade on Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Over the course of the last two years, more and more information keeps dropping about the links between Trump, the Trump campaign, and Russia. The latest is this admission from Cohen. I'm really curious. At what point will Trump's base acknowledge that their faithful(less?) leader actually had ties to Russia that impacted on his campaign and election? What exactly will it take?
    OK so Trump was trying to get a Hotel built in Russia, before he was actually running. Then in June of 2016 the whole thing was called off. How is this illegal or collusion concerning the election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I'm also curious. What will it take for an admitted liar's words to become credible? I mean, aside from when they throw shade on Trump.
    And if you look at the things they've lied about, they're insignificant. In Cohen's case, he got a date wrong, and that was out of 70-hours(!) of questioning by Mueller and his goon squad. Interview anybody that extensively and you're bound to force a contradiction or a misrembered detail at some point. The fact that this is apparently the ONLY thing Mueller could get Cohen on after such a lengthy interview doesn't say much for Mueller's collusion case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Of course Cohen is such a trustworthy and believable source of accurate information and has absolutely no motivation whatsoever to say whatever he thinks that Mueller wants to hear, right carpe?
    The problem with lies is that you never know when to believe the liar. Which is why we don't really know when to believe Mr. Trump. He lies so consistently, and regularly, that his claims to innocence are dubious at best.

    So I acknowledge that Mr. Cohen could be lying to save his but. But this is another in a long line of disclosures. Are you REALLY going to suggest that, at this point, there is no possibility that there is actually something there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    What law is Trump accused of breaking?
    Actually - none. IMO, this is not a legal issue (unless Trump can be shown to have actually conspired with a foreign power to swing an American election) - it is a political one. The question is, do we want, as president, a man who conspires with our historical enemy to secure his election - or do we want someone who is their own person?
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

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