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    2.4-million-year-old tools found in Algeria could upend human origin story

    New discovery of our ancestry of tool making.

    Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/30/24-million-year-old-tools-found-algeria-could-upend-human-origin/



    2.4-million-year-old tools found in Algeria could upend human origin story

    Archaeologists in Algeria have discovered stone tools and cut animal bones that may be up to 2.4 million years old, bringing into question East Africa's title as the cradle of humanity, according to research published Thursday in the journal Science.

    The artifacts - more ancient than those discovered in the region until now - were found in Setif, some 200 miles (300 kilometres) east of Algiers, by a team of international researchers, including Algerians.

    The tools closely resemble those called Oldowan, found until now mainly in East Africa.

    The tools were unearthed near dozens of fossilised animal bones which contained cut marks, as if relics of prehistoric butchers.

    The bones came from animals including the ancestors of crocodiles, elephants and hippopotamuses.

    "East Africa is widely considered to be the birthplace of stone tool use by our ancient hominid ancestors - the earliest examples of which date as far back as about 2.6 million years ago," said the report in Science.

    "The new findings make Ain Boucherit the oldest site in northern Africa with in situ evidence of hominin meat use with associated stone tools and they suggest that other similarly early sites could be found outside of the Eastern Africa Rift."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    New discovery of our ancestry of tool making.

    Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/30/24-million-year-old-tools-found-algeria-could-upend-human-origin/



    2.4-million-year-old tools found in Algeria could upend human origin story

    Archaeologists in Algeria have discovered stone tools and cut animal bones that may be up to 2.4 million years old, bringing into question East Africa's title as the cradle of humanity, according to research published Thursday in the journal Science.

    The artifacts - more ancient than those discovered in the region until now - were found in Setif, some 200 miles (300 kilometres) east of Algiers, by a team of international researchers, including Algerians.

    The tools closely resemble those called Oldowan, found until now mainly in East Africa.

    The tools were unearthed near dozens of fossilised animal bones which contained cut marks, as if relics of prehistoric butchers.

    The bones came from animals including the ancestors of crocodiles, elephants and hippopotamuses.

    "East Africa is widely considered to be the birthplace of stone tool use by our ancient hominid ancestors - the earliest examples of which date as far back as about 2.6 million years ago," said the report in Science.

    "The new findings make Ain Boucherit the oldest site in northern Africa with in situ evidence of hominin meat use with associated stone tools and they suggest that other similarly early sites could be found outside of the Eastern Africa Rift."

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    Worth a read of the whole reference.
    Yet the oldest tools are still found in East Africa making the "could upend human origin story" part a bit premature. Personally, I'm not surprised that human ancestors capable of such tool usage spread out more than just a small region around the Eastern African Rift.

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    yay. we found some of Mossy's missing tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    yay. we found some of Mossy's missing tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Yet the oldest tools are still found in East Africa making the "could upend human origin story" part a bit premature. Personally, I'm not surprised that human ancestors capable of such tool usage spread out more than just a small region around the Eastern African Rift.
    The layman headline is a bit meaningless, and describing it as 'upending human origin story' is nonsense. It just pushed back the tool making history of our primate ancestors in Africa.
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    The first homo species appeared in Africa ~3 million years ago, and Northern Africa climate was changing from forest to grass lands. Actually what this discovery reveals is that tool utilizing Homo was spread all across the North African grassland plains by 2.5 million years ago where there was an ideal climate and abundant heard animals. The new evidence says less about origins, but more concerning the extent of the Homo tool making species at that time.

    It is likely that Homo were nuclear family small tribal (pack?)nomadic hunter gatherer groups that hunted in the grassland plains of the time. There nomadic journeys were likely centered on stone resources like flint, and followed seasonal migration of animal herds.
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    WHY are ALL these threads about me??



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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    WHY are ALL these threads about me??

    Cause you were around back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Cause you were around back then.
    Prove it!



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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Prove it!

    That's what so many folks say when something is true but don't want to admit it.

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