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    Sanders eyes ‘bigger’ 2020 bid despite some warning signs

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    BURLINGTON, Vt. (AP) — An insurgent underdog no more, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is laying the groundwork to launch a bigger presidential campaign than his first, as advisers predict he would open the 2020 Democratic presidential primary season as a political powerhouse.

    A final decision has not been made, but those closest to the 77-year-old self-described democratic socialist suggest that neither age nor interest from a glut of progressive presidential prospects would dissuade him from undertaking a second shot at the presidency. And as Sanders’ brain trust gathered for a retreat in Vermont over the weekend, some spoke openly about a 2020 White House bid as if it was almost a foregone conclusion.

    “This time, he starts off as a front-runner, or one of the front-runners,” Sanders’ 2016 campaign manager Jeff Weaver told The Associated Press, highlighting the senator’s proven ability to generate massive fundraising through small-dollar donations and his ready-made network of staff and volunteers.

    Weaver added: “It’ll be a much bigger campaign if he runs again, in terms of the size of the operation.”

    Amid the enthusiasm — and there was plenty in Burlington as the Sanders Institute convened his celebrity supporters, former campaign staff and progressive policy leaders — there were also signs of cracks in Sanders’ political base. His loyalists are sizing up a prospective 2020 Democratic field likely to feature a collection of ambitious liberal leaders — and not the establishment-minded Hillary Clinton.

    Instead, a new generation of outspoken Democrats such as Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker and California Sen. Kamala Harris are expected to seek the Democratic nomination. All three have embraced Sanders’ call for “Medicare for All” and a $15 minimum wage, among other policy priorities he helped bring into the Democratic mainstream in the Trump era.

    Acknowledging the stark differences between the 2016 and 2020 fields, Hollywood star Danny Glover, who campaigned alongside Sanders in 2016, would not commit to a second Sanders’ candidacy when asked this weekend.

    “I don’t know what 2020 looks like right now,” Glover said before taking a front-row seat for Sanders’ opening remarks. “I’m going to support who I feel to be the most progressive choice.”

    One of Sanders’ chief supporters from neighboring New Hampshire, former state senate majority leader Burt Cohen, acknowledged that some people worry Sanders is too old for a second run, although that’s not a major concern of his. Like Glover, he’s not sure if he’ll join Sanders a second time.

    “There are other people picking up the flag and holding it high, and you know, it could be Bernie, but I think there are other people as well,” said Cohen, who did not attend the Vermont summit. “It’s not ‘Bernie or bust.’ That’s certainly not the case.”
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    I do think Sanders would have done better against Trump than Clinton would have, but of course that's impossible to know for sure.

    I think his age would be a turn-off to a lot of people. He was pushing it a bit in the last election, but 4 years exacerbates the problem. The oldest a President has been while in office was Ronald Reagan, who was almost 78 years old when he left office after two terms. Bernie Sanders, if elected, would be older than that at the start of his first term. His pick for vice president would probably be more important for his election chances than anything about himself.

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    • #3
      Think the Democrats will let him win the primary this time?
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
        I do think Sanders would have done better against Trump than Clinton would have, but of course that's impossible to know for sure.

        I think his age would be a turn-off to a lot of people. He was pushing it a bit in the last election, but 4 years exacerbates the problem. The oldest a President has been while in office was Ronald Reagan, who was almost 78 years old when he left office after two terms. Bernie Sanders, if elected, would be older than that at the start of his first term. His pick for vice president would probably be more important for his election chances than anything about himself.
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        Yeah, I know. Too young to be eligible

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        • #5
          But what about Oprah?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            But what about Oprah?
            Obama, Oprah, Ocasio-Cortez, Beto.... I'm seeing a pattern here!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
              I do think Sanders would have done better against Trump than Clinton would have, but of course that's impossible to know for sure.
              I might well have voted for Sanders over Trump. I think Sanders would have better energized the Democrat base, and didn't have HRC's/Trump's high negative ratings.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                I might well have voted for Sanders over Trump. I think Sanders would have better energized the Democrat base, and didn't have HRC's/Trump's high negative ratings.
                Crazy Bernie's painfully naive grasp of economic policy would have been a disaster for the country.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Crazy Bernie's painfully naive grasp of economic policy would have been a disaster for the country.
                  With GOP in control of both chambers of Congress, his economic impact would have been limited.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    With GOP in control of both chambers of Congress, his economic impact would have been limited.
                    But had he actually won the election, it's likely he would have had coattails that changed that dynamic, as well, no?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      But had he actually won the election, it's likely he would have had coattails that changed that dynamic, as well, no?
                      Possibly in the Senate, but I don't think it would have been sufficient to swing the House.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        Possibly in the Senate, but I don't think it would have been sufficient to swing the House.
                        I'm actually losing confidence in the system, as each successive generation seems to be more about "what's in it for me" than "what's good for the country".

                        I think that if the country were to get to the point where a Bernie Sanders could be POTUS, it's because enough people voted the "what's in it for me", and the House would fall as well.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          I'm actually losing confidence in the system, as each successive generation seems to be more about "what's in it for me" than "what's good for the country".
                          To be honest, I think every generation has been more about "what's in it for me" than otherwise. Pork has always been around for a reason.
                          I think that if the country were to get to the point where a Bernie Sanders could be POTUS, it's because enough people voted the "what's in it for me", and the House would fall as well.
                          I don't think Bernie could've beaten just anybody, but Trump was not exactly a strong candidate.
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                          I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            To be honest, I think every generation has been more about "what's in it for me" than otherwise. Pork has always been around for a reason.
                            No argument whatsoever - I just think it seems to be accelerating.

                            I don't think Bernie could've beaten just anybody, but Trump was not exactly a strong candidate.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              But what about Oprah?
                              A woman with a compulsive need to have her picture on every single issue of the magazine she founded isn't going to play second fiddle to anyone.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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