North Carolina Voting - and Consistency

[Zymologist]

Absolutely, we really need to stop the republican party from abusing the system. You've got voter fraud, suppression of the vote by various nefarious means, not to mention collusion with foriegn foes. Seems republicans would rather live in a Russian like democracy than lose in a real one.

I'd just like to pitch in and say that I really liked the rhyme here.

[JimL]

Yes, Jimmy. You see, unlike a low-information liberal like you, some of us like to wait until there are sufficient facts at our disposal before rendering a judgment. This seems like common sense to me, but as the saying goes, if common sense was really common then it wouldn't be such a valued commodity.

Your problem MM is that you are blind to facts. You only see what the Breitbart of the world tell you to see.

[Mountain Man]

I'd just like to pitch in and say that I really liked the rhyme here.

Who knew Jimmy was such a skilled free-styler?

[Mountain Man]

Your problem MM is that you are blind to facts. You only see what the Breitbart of the world tell you to see.

And that's why I quoted The New York Times.

[Roy]

Yes, Jimmy. You see, unlike a low-information liberal like you, some of us like to wait until there are sufficient facts at our disposal before rendering a judgment.

That's right. We would never announce that NASA had found pyramids in Antarctica unless we had sufficient facts at our disposal.

[oxmixmudd]

Wow. Thanks for proving my point, Jim.

You copied only my retort against your derision of my mental health and did not address even one of the points I made in the post.

Thanks for proving MY point.

Jim

[Sparko]

But then republicans would get crushed even worse than by the 8 million votes they lost by in the midterms.

Nope. You see, Republicans actually have jobs that interfere with voting, unlike you unemployed liberals on welfare, so while voting on the weekend wouldn't change the liberal vote, it would allow more Republicans to vote.

[Sparko]

He's not nitpicking Sparko. It is a real distinction with real consequences. Individual voters typically don't pretend to be someone else or try to vote multiple times. But that may not be true of people in the campaigns themselves. THIS case is a specific person with a felony on his record who was hired by the Harris campaign and who engaged in illegal activities to destroy contrary and/or add favorable votes relative to that candidates success. This is not voter fraud. It is election fraud.


Jim

He IS nitpicking because the we didn't just complain about "voter fraud" in previous threads, we complained about ELECTION fraud also (see the Florida thread) and we were told the same thing, that it is just some wacky Republican conspiracy, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[JimL]

Well now that Starlight and JimL have joined us...

What about the oft-repeated claim that there is no such thing as voter fraud? Now all of a sudden it is a problem because a Republican seems to be behind it, but all those cases where democrats were committing fraud it was just something small and aberrant and made no difference in the election, or was just an invention by conservatives?

No one ever argued that there is no such thing as voter fraud, what we argue is that there is very little if any in person voter fraud which is what republicans like to claim in order to pass their targeted voter ID laws. Watching republicans operate, with their shutting down of polling places, moving polling places to confuse the voters, robo calls and mailings giving people misinformation concerning voting dates, enacting last minute voting laws in order that the courts have no time to rule on them prior to the election, etc etc. I wouldn't doubt that this latest absentee ballot scheme of theirs isn't more wide spread as well.

[oxmixmudd]

Absolutely, we really need to stop the republican party from abusing the system. You've got voter fraud, suppression of the vote by various nefarious means, not to mention collusion with foriegn foes. Seems republicans would rather live in a Russian like democracy than lose in a real one.

The mistake you are making JimL is in assuming this is a one sided thing. It is not. Neither side is honest or wholly committed to the idea of absolutely fair elections based only on policy differences. And each side does what they can to skew the results their way within whatever limits they set for themselves. And sometimes individuals, on both sides, wander into illegal territory. They ALL live in shady territory.

Jim

[JimL]

The mistake you are making JimL is in assuming this is a one sided thing. It is not. Neither side is honest or wholly committed to the idea of absolutely fair elections based only on policy differences. And each side does what they can to skew the results their way within whatever limits they set for themselves. And sometimes individuals, on both sides, wander into illegal territory. They ALL live in shady territory.

Jim

I respectfully disagree Jim. You don't see the democrats pulling all these stunts in order to suppress the republican vote.

[Mountain Man]

That's right. We would never announce that NASA had found pyramids in Antarctica unless we had sufficient facts at our disposal.

You're like a chihuahua who once he gets hold of a dirty sock, refuses to let it go for anything.

But hey, at least I owned up to my mistake.

[Roy]

The mistake you are making JimL is in assuming this is a one sided thing. It is not. Neither side is honest or wholly committed to the idea of absolutely fair elections based only on policy differences. And each side does what they can to skew the results their way within whatever limits they set for themselves. And sometimes individuals, on both sides, wander into illegal territory. They ALL live in shady territory.

I suspect that political rather than independent appointment of electoral officials is partly to blame. I can't see how the absentee ballot collection tactic used in this case would have had any chance of working unless the election officials handling the dropped-off ballots were willing to ignore that at least one person was dropping off more absentee ballots than they should.

[Roy]

You're like a chihuahua who once he gets hold of a dirty sock, refuses to let it ago for anything.

But hey, at least I owned up to my mistake.

Only because it was so bleedingly obvious you couldn't really do anything else. You haven't owned up to your other mistake of claiming that a Greenland settlement found under sand drifts was found under glacial ice.

[Sparko]

No one ever argued that there is no such thing as voter fraud, what we argue is that there is very little if any in person voter fraud which is what republicans like to claim in order to pass their targeted voter ID laws.

Then two minutes later...

I respectfully disagree Jim. You don't see the democrats pulling all these stunts in order to suppress the republican vote.

JimL you never disappoint.