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  • Mueller investigation conludes that Trump is guilty!

    The Mueller probe as set out in the Cohen document today alleges that Trump is guilty of 2 federal crimes, tax fraud and campaign finance crimes, and goes on to say that the campaign was in contact with high ranking Russians offering "political synergy" or in other words collusion with themselves and the Trump campaign in the election against Hillary. They offered this help to Cohen during the negotiations regarding the Trump Tower Moscow deal that would, according to the investigation, have been enormously lucrative, nettting hundreds of millions of dollars for the Trump Organization.

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politi...ump/index.html

    Because Cohen refused to cooperate fully with N.Y. state district court, he is probably going to be sentenced to 3-4 years in prison even though he did cooperate with the special prosecuter.

  • #2
    The beloved Rachel (may God cradle her Soul for eternity in His enormous arms) knows a thing or two on this subject. She has a knack for pulling the threads together. And Mueller (The Magnificent) has a strategy for getting around Trump’s devious hindrances.
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
    “not all there” - you know who you are

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    • #3
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      The beloved Rachel (may God cradle her Soul for eternity in His enormous arms) knows a thing or two on this subject. She has a knack for pulling the threads together. And Mueller (The Magnificent) has a strategy for getting around Trump’s devious hindrances.
      Yes, Rachel is the best when it comes to fitting the pieces of the puzzle together. Cohen must have an awfully lot of illegal activity in his past to hide in order that he take 3-4 years in prison rather than fully cooperate with the southern district of N.Y. prosecutors.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Yes, Rachel is the best when it comes to fitting the pieces of the puzzle together.
        What, even better than Glenn Beck or Alex Jones?! But Glenn Beck had a whiteboard! And Alex Jones knew about the lizard people!
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Well, the President's lawyer appears to be going to go to jail for committing crimes that the prosecutors say the President ("individual 1" in the filing) ordered him to commit.

          As MSNBC's legal analyst comments:
          The president and his lawyer violated campaign finance laws to influence the outcome of the election while his campaign chair was meeting with an intelligence asset of a foreign government that was trying to influence the outcome of the election.

          "Individual 1" seems to be a criminal. Also I suggest that be his new name in general.
          Last edited by Starlight; 12-08-2018, 12:56 AM.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Cohen must have an awfully lot of illegal activity in his past to hide in order that he take 3-4 years in prison rather than fully cooperate with the southern district of N.Y. prosecutors.
            Certainly Cohen has a lot of illegal activity and so it seems does the man he would take a bullet for, i.e. Individual-1, given that he is implicated in suspected crimes linked to Russia and payoffs to women as revealed yesterday by Mueller. So, how on earth can Trump gloat that he had been “totally” cleared by the investigation? Is it possible that he doesn’t realize HE is Individual-1?
            Last edited by Tassman; 12-08-2018, 01:33 AM.
            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Well, the President's lawyer appears to be going to go to jail for committing crimes that the prosecutors say the President ("individual 1" in the filing) ordered him to commit.
              ...which of course implicates Trump.

              "Individual 1" seems to be a criminal. Also I suggest that be his new name in general.
              Yes. 'Individual-1 Tower' has a certain ring to it... un je ne sais quoi.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                Is it possible that he doesn’t realize HE is Individual-1?
                Well the filing only says that Individual-1 was a person Cohen was the attorney for and who was President of the United States by Jan 2017, so it could be basically anyone. Is it you?
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Well the filing only says that Individual-1 was a person Cohen was the attorney for and who was President of the United States by Jan 2017, so it could be basically anyone.
                  True! Good point.

                  Is it you?
                  I deny everything.

                  Seriously, Individual 1 is involved with lying and cheating and stealing and colluding with a foreign government and this has been decided by two different legal offices. I doubt he can recover.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    What, even better than Glenn Beck or Alex Jones?! But Glenn Beck had a whiteboard! And Alex Jones knew about the lizard people!
                    So interesting the kinds of people that so many conservatives listen to. How do you figure?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      Certainly Cohen has a lot of illegal activity and so it seems does the man he would take a bullet for, i.e. Individual-1, given that he is implicated in suspected crimes linked to Russia and payoffs to women as revealed yesterday by Mueller. So, how on earth can Trump gloat that he had been “totally” cleared by the investigation? Is it possible that he doesn’t realize HE is Individual-1?
                      Yeah, but they already have so much on him from his cooperation with the Mueller probe that you would think public knowledge about anything else in his past wouldn't matter that much. Cooperation with the southern district prosecutors is much more detailed than it is with the special prosecutor, but there has to be some really bad stuff in his past, worse than the tax fraud, campaign finance crimes, collusion, and the many other crimes given up to Mueller in oder that he serve 4 years in prison rather thaqn admit to them.
                      I was actually thinking better of the guy, fell for his public display of atonement, but it turns out that Cohens change of heart, his sorrow and repenting his misdeeds, were only self serving displays according to the prosecution who recommended the judge come down hard on him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                        The Mueller probe as set out in the Cohen document today alleges that Trump is guilty of 2 federal crimes, tax fraud and campaign finance crimes, and goes on to say that the campaign was in contact with high ranking Russians offering "political synergy" or in other words collusion with themselves and the Trump campaign in the election against Hillary. They offered this help to Cohen during the negotiations regarding the Trump Tower Moscow deal that would, according to the investigation, have been enormously lucrative, nettting hundreds of millions of dollars for the Trump Organization.

                        http://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politi...ump/index.html

                        Because Cohen refused to cooperate fully with N.Y. state district court, he is probably going to be sentenced to 3-4 years in prison even though he did cooperate with the special prosecuter.
                        This is the same report that went to great lengths to paint Cohen as a liar and thoroughly disreputable person, right?

                        "[Cohen's] consciousness of wrongdoing is fleeting, that his remorse is minimal, and that his instinct to blame others is strong. While he has legally accepted responsibility, the Court should consider at sentencing these transparent efforts at minimizing Cohen’s false statements and criminal conduct."

                        What a guy to build a case on.

                        Cohen cheated on his taxes and lied to a bank about same; he didn’t fill out a campaign distribution report that almost everyone argues was not a campaign expense; and he misled congress about the timing of his business contacts.

                        Where’s the Russia collusion?

                        Where’s the Russia conspiracy?

                        Now it’s clear why Mueller and SSCI Vice-Chairman Mark Warner needed to work together to get the “lying to congress charge”…. the other three accusations are almost nothing.

                        The entire narrative around this has been a bigly manufactured bucket of nothingness.

                        https://theconservativetreehouse.com...y-exaggerated/
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          This is the same report that went to great lengths to paint Cohen as a liar and thoroughly disreputable person, right?

                          "[Cohen's] consciousness of wrongdoing is fleeting, that his remorse is minimal, and that his instinct to blame others is strong. While he has legally accepted responsibility, the Court should consider at sentencing these transparent efforts at minimizing CohenÂ’s false statements and criminal conduct."

                          What a guy to build a case on.

                          Cohen cheated on his taxes and lied to a bank about same; he didnÂ’t fill out a campaign distribution report that almost everyone argues was not a campaign expense; and he misled congress about the timing of his business contacts.

                          WhereÂ’s the Russia collusion?

                          WhereÂ’s the Russia conspiracy?

                          Now it’s clear why Mueller and SSCI Vice-Chairman Mark Warner needed to work together to get the “lying to congress charge”…. the other three accusations are almost nothing.

                          The entire narrative around this has been a bigly manufactured bucket of nothingness.

                          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...y-exaggerated/
                          MM, your inability to be objective is well known by all. Muellerhas given you a peek through documents pertaining to state charges, but he hasn't shown his hand yet. We, and by we I mean those of us who are not willfully blind to facts, already knew Trump to be guilty of campaign finance fraud, he directed Cohen to pay off his mistresses, and thanks to Cohen it's on tape. Cohen is going to prison for that, and the only reason that Trump is not going with him is because he is president. The remedy for that is impeachment which will most assuredly not happen with a majority unethical republican Senate. So, we will wait for Muellers full report, and perhaps the evidence coming from the new majority democrat Houses further investigation, which i'm fairly certain wiil leave the unethical republicans in the Senate little choice but to go ahead with impeachment.
                          You of course will continue to rationalize and deny any and all evidence no matter what anyway, because that's the way your head is screwed on.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            MM, your inability to be objective is well known by all.
                            And there goes Jimmy breaking all the irony meters in a 200-mile radius again.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Source: Michael Cohen and Trump did NOT violate campaign finance law – despite Cohen's guilty plea

                              No one is questioning the legitimacy of the guilty pleas Cohen entered Aug. 21 in federal court to six tax evasion and bank fraud charges. But those charges have nothing to do with President Trump. They involve Cohen’s failure to report over $4 million in income from work with taxi companies, along with several hundred thousand dollars in other income, to the Internal Revenue Service.

                              But you have to wonder about the legal advice Cohen received when he pleaded guilty on the same day to two violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act – the law that governs the financing of federal elections campaigns. Many election law experts, including former commissioners on the Federal Election Commission (FEC), say his conduct, however sleazy, didn’t violate the law.

                              I’m one of those former commissioners and I’m also a former Justice Department attorney. Based on my experience serving in government and now as a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, it appears to me that Cohen was innocent of the campaign finance law violations.

                              The law Cohen pleaded guilty to violating bans campaign contributions by banks, corporations and labor unions. It also limits the amount that an individual can contribute to a candidate. During the 2016 election cycle, that limit was $2,700.

                              Civil violations of the law are enforced by the FEC. Criminal violations of the law are enforced by the Justice Department. A civil violation becomes a criminal violation when someone intentionally and knowingly violates the law.

                              Here’s how the Federal Election Campaign Act works: For the rules, contribution limits, and reporting requirements of law to apply to an expenditure, it has to be made “for the purpose of influencing” a federal election. But such a broad definition could cover anything on which a candidate spends money.

                              As former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith says, that could include “buying a good watch to make sure he gets to places on time, to getting a massage so that he feels fit for the campaign trail, to buying a new suit so that he looks good on a debate stage.”

                              Cohen pleaded guilty to “willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution” and making “an excessive campaign contribution” according to the agreement sent to Cohen’s lawyer by the Acting U.S. Attorney, Robert Khuzami on Aug. 21. The contributions are defined as hush-money payments Cohen arranged to two women who claimed they had affairs with Trump years before the 2016 election.

                              According to Cohen’s guilty plea he made one payment of $130,000 directly to porn star Stormy Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford) and was reimbursed by Trump or a Trump corporate entity.

                              Also according to Cohen’s plea, another payment of $150,000 was made by the National Enquirer to former Playboy model Karen McDougal for the rights to her story alleging she had a months-long affair with Trump. The tabloid, run by Trump friend David Pecker, never published the story.

                              The key question in determining whether Cohen broke the campaign finance law is: Were the payments to Daniels and McDougal personal expenses or campaign-related expenses?

                              Many legal experts don’t believe such payments are campaign-related. Wealthy celebrities are faced with these types of embarrassing claims all the time, and often pay nuisance settlements (even if they are not running for office) to avoid bad publicity.

                              The Justice Department only prosecuted someone for a campaign finance law violation like the one Cohen pleaded guilty to on one occasion and the department lost its case – despite having stronger evidence.

                              https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mich...ns-guilty-plea

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                              It's pretty obvious to any rational person that Cohen plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit in order to get a lighter sentence for the crimes he did commit.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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