Mueller investigation conludes that Trump is guilty!

[Charles]

[...] The payoff was critical to his success, and by hiding that story from the public, Trumps presidency win is in all likelihood, on this element alone, the result of fraud. Add to it the shady actions of so many of his campaign personnel and staff with the Russians and add in their interference and push to bias towards Trump and there is almost no doubt Trump's presidency is the product of Fraud.

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Jim

Very important points and they are well worth remembering if people claim you are making a mountain out of a molehill. We are witnessing a disregard for truth and even a disregard for morality that needs to be adressed. It is not surprising at all since the house is not even build on sand but rather on fraud.

[Sparko]

I am just gonna wait and see what happens. All this bickering isn't getting anyone anywhere and nobody knows what is going to happen.

[Mountain Man]

You just continue to ignore the meat of my posts and grab some snippit you think you can produce a plausible reply to, don't you.

That says it all in terms of how weak your arguments are!

When you can demolish an argument by knocking out its most critical point, then attacking the other weaker points becomes superfluous.

[oxmixmudd]

Oh stop Jim, you are just virtue signaling again through your hatred of Trump, but it doesn't work. It is the Democrats who are making a mountain out of a molehill on this issue and they are the most wicked party possible. As far as I'm concerned when one throws their lot in with them they have made a pack with the Devil...

That is just not how it is seer. There are many good democrats, Many good republicans. You are a victim of the hyper right/trump propaganda.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

When you can demolish an argument by knocking out its most critical point, then attacking the other weaker points becomes superfluous.

is the air thin up there?


Jim

[seer]

That is just not how it is seer. There are many good democrats, Many good republicans. You are a victim of the hyper right/trump propaganda.

Jim

No Jim, it doesn't work that way. The constant attacks on Trump only make the Democrats more powerful, and since they are much more wicked as a party you are choosing the greater evil over the lesser evil.

[rogue06]

No Jim, it doesn't work that way. The constant attacks on Trump only make the Democrats more powerful, and since they are much more wicked as a party you are choosing the greater evil over the lesser evil.

I see both parties being resolutely determined to take us to hell in the proverbial hand basket. It's just that the Democrats want to go straight there with no stops or detours whereas the Republicans are content to go at a more leisurely pace along a scenic route.

[seer]

Of course there is nothing to see here...

Did Clinton Foundation mislead IRS? State filings raise the question

The Utah episode, though a decade old, and other state regulatory issues involving the Clinton Foundation are gaining new attraction because they are included in thousands of pages of documents gathered in a whistleblower submission filed last year by a firm composed of former federal law enforcement investigators, called MDA Analytics LLC.

That submission made with the IRS, and eventually provided to the Justice Department in Washington and to the FBI in Little Rock, Arkansas, alleges there is “probable cause” to believe the Clinton Foundation broke federal tax law and possibly owes millions of dollars in tax penalties. That submission and its supporting evidence will be one focus of a GOP-led congressional hearing Thursday in the House.

The foundation strongly denies any wrongdoing. But it acknowledges its own internal legal reviews in 2008 and 2011 cited employee concerns ranging from quid pro quo promises to donors, to improper commingling of personal and charity business.

Another of the issues the foundation’s own lawyers flagged: a culture of noncompliance.

Some issues with compliance are clear in a review of more than 2,000 pages of state regulatory filings and actions involving the foundation that were included in the whistleblower submission.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/42...ngs-suggest-so

[oxmixmudd]

No Jim, it doesn't work that way. The constant attacks on Trump only make the Democrats more powerful, and since they are much more wicked as a party you are choosing the greater evil over the lesser evil.

The fault there is the GOP and the GOP base putting someone like Trump in power. He should have never been nominated, let alone elected. But given he is there, he is the biggest problem. First we get him out, then we work on the other issues. The problem there is that Trump has alienated so many against the GOP, the democrats will have significant control over policies for quite some time. See, with Trump you won some battles, but for the most part have lost the cultural war. The majority of people see Chrstians thronging behind trump and are completely put off by it. The see evangelical Christians and evangelical Christian faith as increasingly IMmoral as a consequence. Electing him, standing behind him - one of the most destructive events in the history of evangelical Christian faith in this country. Right up there with the Southern Baptists standing for Slavery right before and during the Civil War.


Jim

[rogue06]

The fault there is the GOP and the GOP base putting someone like Trump in power.

If it was just the Republicans he would never have been elected but rather went down in a George McGovern/Walter Mondale/Michael Dukakis type of overwhelming defeat. Instead he garnered 304 electoral votes when only 270 were needed.

[Tassman]

Like I said, you're falling for the bait-and-switch, where liberals are trying to make multiple normal and innocent connections appear sinister as a whole.

So 14 close Trump associates having contact with the Russians during the campaign, which they all seemed to forget about, are "multiple normal and innocent connections"? I don't think so. Especially given the Intel certainty re Russian attempts to meddle in the election.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/tha..._notifications

[Starlight]

only make the Democrats more powerful, and since they are much more wicked as a party you are choosing the greater evil over the lesser evil.

Your Republican party literally has to be one of the greatest forces of evil in the entire world. But you think the boring and milquetoast Dems are evil?

[seer]

The fault there is the GOP and the GOP base putting someone like Trump in power. He should have never been nominated, let alone elected. But given he is there, he is the biggest problem. First we get him out, then we work on the other issues. The problem there is that Trump has alienated so many against the GOP, the democrats will have significant control over policies for quite some time. See, with Trump you won some battles, but for the most part have lost the cultural war. The majority of people see Chrstians thronging behind trump and are completely put off by it. The see evangelical Christians and evangelical Christian faith as increasingly IMmoral as a consequence. Electing him, standing behind him - one of the most destructive events in the history of evangelical Christian faith in this country. Right up there with the Southern Baptists standing for Slavery right before and during the Civil War.


Jim

Jim it wasn't the GOP that put Trump into power, it was the Republican voters (like me), then, in the general election it was about half the country. And I disagree, the evangelical mainline Christian left has been aligning itself with the Democrats for decades now supporting all manner of wickedness.

[seer]

Your Republican party literally has to be one of the greatest forces of evil in the entire world. But you think the boring and milquetoast Dems are evil?

Wait you are an atheist-evil does not exist in your world. It is all relative right?

[oxmixmudd]

Jim it wasn't the GOP that put Trump into power, it was the Republican voters (like me), then, in the general election it was about half the country. And I disagree, the evangelical mainline Christian left has been aligning itself with the Democrats for decades now supporting all manner of wickedness.

The GOP made the mistakes that allowed Trump to be nominated. That should never have happened. By all manner of wickedness, I am assuming you refer to LBGTQ issues and abortion. However you feel about that, most people see hatred in the eyes of conservative evangelicals as they approach those issues. The alignment with Trump and his constant chaos and hatred in every other word has only served to cement the impression that conservative evangelicals are WASP haters of all things not WASP. I know very few people outside conservative evangelical circles that think positively of that particular branding of the Christian Faith. And it's our own fault. It is not as we would suppose because we stand for what is right. Rather, we have made ourselves messengers of judgement. In their eyes we hate the poor, we hate immigrants, we hate homosexuals, and we hate women that have abortions. That is who we have presented ourselves to be at every Trump rally, at every gay wedding protest and at every abortion protest. I know that isn't what we want to do, or even what most of us are, but we have not extended grace and mercy, rather we have aligned and sided with those - like Trump - that want to hit back '10 times harder' for every offense no matter how small.



Jim