Mueller investigation conludes that Trump is guilty!

[Mountain Man]

I haven't done that. Each time a problem associated with a past president has been brought up, I've been quite happy to say 'that was bad'. You seem to be working some false impressions:

A) the fact that some president in the past did something bad and got away with it to some extent big or small means that Trump is excused for doing something similarly bad.
B) it is my responsibility to reference all the times some other president has done something bad before I point out something Trump is doing that is bad.


Both of those are false assumptions pix.

Further, Trump is not 'the worst thing ever' because no other president ever did something similar. The issue with Trump is that he regularly exceeds previous excesses in two ways.

(1) He seems intent on trying to do ALL of them at once.
(2) he adds to it the degradation of the presidency itself, the degradation of relations with our allies, daily new lows in terms of how he lies about his actions and the actions of others. He allies himself with despots. And instead of trying to hide less that honorable actions or intentions, he flaunts them. And that is the short list.

No other president combines so many issues into one person, one presidency. He's like all the bad things in Nixon, Bush, Obama, and Clinton all rolled into one man, with some extra on top for frosting.

"Orange Man bad! "

[Mountain Man]

Trump has signed into law 1 major piece of legislation in 2 years, and that was a tax cut for his very wealthy friends. He has increased the debt though, by over a trillion dollars so far. And here I thought republicans/conservatives were actually principled concerning the debt. NOT!

Besides that, Trump is a criminal, a crook, a con man, and treasonous to western democracy.

Seriously, Jimmy, it's not necessary to go so far out of your way to show how ignorant you are.

[rogue06]

It usually favors Dems over Republicans.

"Usually"? Can you name one time over anything even marginally significant that they favored the Republicans in the past few generations?

[rogue06]

I think it is cute that you believe the rest of the world, except the USA is as far left as you are.

Gotta wonder if he believes that they also think Stalin was a right winger.

[JimL]

Gotta wonder if he believes that they also think Stalin was a right winger.

Yeah, you could replace Stalin with Trump and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Right winger Trumps problem is that he is operating in a democracy and isn't able to display his Stalinistic tendencies. As we have recently seen, conservatives, right wingers, aren't real big fans of democracy.

[Sparko]

Trump has signed into law 1 major piece of legislation in 2 years, and that was a tax cut for his very wealthy friends. He has increased the debt though, by over a trillion dollars so far. And here I thought republicans/conservatives were actually principled concerning the debt. NOT!

Besides that, Trump is a criminal, a crook, a con man, and treasonous to western democracy.

Trump passed 116 bills in just his first year in office.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/polit...ion/index.html

[lilpixieofterror]

I haven't done that. Each time a problem associated with a past president has been brought up, I've been quite happy to say 'that was bad'. You seem to be working some false impressions:

A) the fact that some president in the past did something bad and got away with it to some extent big or small means that Trump is excused for doing something similarly bad.
B) it is my responsibility to reference all the times some other president has done something bad before I point out something Trump is doing that is bad.


Both of those are false assumptions pix.

Further, Trump is not 'the worst thing ever' because no other president ever did something similar. The issue with Trump is that he regularly exceeds previous excesses in two ways.

(1) He seems intent on trying to do ALL of them at once.
(2) he adds to it the degradation of the presidency itself, the degradation of relations with our allies, daily new lows in terms of how he lies about his actions and the actions of others. He allies himself with despots. And instead of trying to hide less that honorable actions or intentions, he flaunts them. And that is the short list.

No other president combines so many issues into one person, one presidency. He's like all the bad things in Nixon, Bush, Obama, and Clinton all rolled into one man, with some extra on top for frosting.


Jim

I see a lot of assertions, assumptions, and opinion here but no real specifics beyond you seem to think he’s satan himself and nothing will convince you otherwise.

[lilpixieofterror]

Yeah, you could replace Stalin with Trump and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Right winger Trumps problem is that he is operating in a democracy and isn't able to display his Stalinistic tendencies. As we have recently seen, conservatives, right wingers, aren't real big fans of democracy.

So have you been sent to a labor camp yet? Comparing Trump to Stalin and Hitler is downplaying the horrible things these two mad men did and spitting in the face of their victims. Trump isn’t Hitler or Stalin.

[Sparko]

Yeah, you could replace Stalin with Trump and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Right winger Trumps problem is that he is operating in a democracy and isn't able to display his Stalinistic tendencies. As we have recently seen, conservatives, right wingers, aren't real big fans of democracy.

Are you posting high again? Stalin was a communist, Trump is a capitalist. Polar opposites.

[JimL]

So have you been sent to a labor camp yet? Comparing Trump to Stalin and Hitler is downplaying the horrible things these two mad men did and spitting in the face of their victims. Trump isn’t Hitler or Stalin.

He can't be, thank goodness we have democratic institutions in place to keep him in check.

[JimL]

Are you posting high again? Stalin was a communist, Trump is a capitalist. Polar opposites.

Stalin was a dictator, a brutal tyrant. Trump is a wannabe dictator operating in a different system of government.

[oxmixmudd]

I see a lot of assertions, assumptions, and opinion here but no real specifics beyond you seem to think he’s satan himself and nothing will convince you otherwise.

Well - certainly countering every point I make about what Trump is doing with "But Obama did something similar" or "A fellow doesn't have to be a saint to be president" certainly and not particularly convincing.

I've posted a lot of specifics over the time I've been in Civics pix. And most of it is ignored, excused, etc. I see no need to repeat it all each time I post a comment. Furhter, the purpose of that specific post is not to define the specific reasons for my issues with trump, it is to correct your false assumptions about what forms the basis for my objections to Trump.

Jim

[JimL]

Trump passed 116 bills in just his first year in office.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/polit...ion/index.html

1 piece of major legislation, the tax cuts for himself and his wealthy friends. But he did increase the debt bigly! I guess conservatives aren't as pricipled as they pretend to be, eh?

[oxmixmudd]

Trump passed 116 bills in just his first year in office.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/polit...ion/index.html

Thanks. That list might make for an interesting discussion in and of itself. Maybe a new thread to discuss it?

Jim

[Sparko]

Stalin was a dictator, a brutal tyrant. Trump is a wannabe dictator operating in a different system of government.

You don't like Trump so you call him a wannabe dictator? How does that correlate with reality?

You must be high.