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  • The Silence of Heaven

    Where is God?

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    What do you do when the Heavens are silent? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Last night I was doing some Bible reading before bed. I had something else I wanted to blog on, but then I got to Hebrews 12:25 warning us about what happens if we ignore Him who speaks. It was a section that left me thinking.

    You see, we often today make a big deal about the idea of hearing the voice of God. I think for the most part, it's normally nonsense. Many people who are hearing the voice of God have a God who strangely enough tells them exactly what they want to hear, much like the pastor who feels called to go to a different church that conveniently is offering a bigger salary.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't times of questions and concerns. When the hard times in our lives hit, it's not atheism that's really the big fear. It's not even that Jesus didn't rise from the dead.

    It's that if we pulled back our ideas about God we would see a God who doesn't care. As C.S. Lewis said, when his wife died, his fear wasn't that there was no God. He had more than enough reason to know there was. It was that God existed and this is what He's really like!

    On the other hand, sometimes, one could hope that is. To say that God is all-good and allows suffering puzzles us. Especially if you hold to God knowing the end from the beginning, God created knowing all of this would happen as it did. God is not saying that this is a good thing, but it is good to allow us to go through it.

    We often think that if God could just give us a little something, we would be able to handle it. Surely that's not asking too much. Why not do that?

    I have some thoughts on the matter, as you can expect.

    For one thing, I think if that happened, we could make a steady diet of experiences. Too many of us get our theology from our experiences. If we do that, we could get a doctrine of God just because we ate too much pizza the night before.

    Second, that could give us pride. Look at how special I am! God Himself did something like this for me!

    Hey. That second one could be on to something. Could it be sometimes we have to look at sin seriously?

    I'm not at all saying all suffering in our lives is because of our sin. Of course not. I am saying we should always be open to it. Have we looked at ourselves and examined ourselves? Could it be God has not pulled away from us, but we have pulled away from Him?

    We could be asking God to do something when really we are not paying attention to what He has done. He has forgiven those of us who are Christians of everything. Why do we not rejoice about that every day? Could it be because we really don't take sin seriously? We don't realize what an affront our sin is to a holy God?

    Perhaps we should realize God is always showing us mercy. That we are allowed to live is mercy. When we are angry and complain to God, He is showing us mercy in that He doesn't destroy us on the spot. He could do that and who could say He was wrong for doing so? He doesn't owe us another moment does He?

    We could also be in a situation like Job. Some people think the question of Job is why is there pain and suffering in the world? When I went through a time of depression in my life, I went through Job repeatedly, because I thought that was the question of Job.

    It's not.

    The question of Job is why do you serve God? If you took away Heaven and eternal life from us, would we still serve God? If we wouldn't, then we have to ask if we're really serving God for who He is or for what we want. A married couple is supposed to have sex together regularly, but if something happened to the wife physically that she couldn't do that anymore, would the husband leave her? If so, you have to ask why he was there to begin with.

    There is nothing wrong with enjoying the benefits of marriage any more than there is looking forward to Heaven and eternal life, There is something wrong if we exclude God from them much like if a husband excludes the person of his wife from sex and just wants her body. If God takes away the goodies, will you still serve?

    This is what I think we have to ask most in these hard times. We have to ground our theology. God is there and He is good. Do we feel like serving? No? Serve any way. There have been mornings I have woken up angry with God about my life, and I still sit down at that computer and serve.

    Anyone can serve God when they feel like it. Yay, you. You're so awesome. Anyone can love their spouse when they feel like it. The times your marriage grows the most is when you love even when you don't feel like it. The best times to grow in your walk with Christ is when you serve even when you don't feel like it.

    Feelings could come later of enjoying what you're doing, but if they don't, oh well. You're still doing the right thing. Ultimately, it comes down to that. Do the right thing regardless. Your feelings should not really come into consideration with that. There is never any justification for doing the wrong thing.

    And if it means just talking to God in prayer, be honest in those times. You can tell Him you're mad or you don't understand, but say you're going to serve anyway. Then serve.

    God will be pleased. Heaven may be seemingly silent now, but if one does this, you can expect one day you will hear Heaven. It will be the sound of applause that you hear then.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Mr Peters I have to ask , do you suppose that this supposed silence is really just other noise? I mean we can ignore in some capacity the prompting God gives us so we might think he never said anything at all.
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    • #3
      I don't see any Biblical basis for God giving us prompts.

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      • #4
        Doesnt the holy spirit do that? I mean he calls us to repentance. That kind of stuff is what i am talking about
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        • #5
          You brought up a grief observed. At one point Lewis says that there is a difference between knocking on a door and trying to break a door down.
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          • #6
            I thought this thread was going to be about the silence for the space of half an hour in Heaven which proves that men get there 30 minutes before women do.




            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheWall View Post
              Doesnt the holy spirit do that? I mean he calls us to repentance. That kind of stuff is what i am talking about
              Perhaps there, but I would want to see something concrete in the text.

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              • #8
                John 16:8. The spirit convicts us of our sins. He does also sanctify and testify for us.
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                • #9
                  God is not silent. We're just not very good at listening. God spoke to my college pastor, prompting him to knock on the door of a stranger. Thanks to his obedience, the stranger and his wife decided not to commit suicide after all. God speaks to me, revealing what unconfessed sin is hindering my relationship with Him.

                  Yes, we must discern when it's God speaking to us and when it's something inimical to God - but the demons hardly imitate something that doesn't happen.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    God is not silent. We're just not very good at listening. God spoke to my college pastor, prompting him to knock on the door of a stranger. Thanks to his obedience, the stranger and his wife decided not to commit suicide after all. God speaks to me, revealing what unconfessed sin is hindering my relationship with Him.

                    Yes, we must discern when it's God speaking to us and when it's something inimical to God - but the demons hardly imitate something that doesn't happen.
                    I shared a similar experience where God prompted me (along with a colleague) to stop by the house of a young lady who we discovered sitting on the front porch smoking a cigarette, which she said would be her last act before going in her bedroom and using her father's gun....
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      I understand the Spirit convicting us, but it's not said how it's done. I am open to God doing things like this, but my concern is that most people have it for everything. I think such incidents are clear, specific, and rare.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                        I understand the Spirit convicting us, but it's not said how it's done. I am open to God doing things like this, but my concern is that most people have it for everything. I think such incidents are clear, specific, and rare.
                        I don't understand what you're trying to communicate here. I think that such incidents are rare mostly because we don't listen very well.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                        Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          I don't understand what you're trying to communicate here. I think that such incidents are rare mostly because we don't listen very well.
                          I would need to be convinced from the text.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                            I would need to be convinced from the text.
                            1) How does that help me understand what you're trying to convey?

                            2) Romans 8 (especially v. 14). Note that Paul does not contrast the flesh with the text, but with the Spirit. I agree that the text is of the Spirit, but there is no textual warrant for limiting the Spirit to the text. Do we not have the same Spirit as the apostles? Orthodox priests rely heavily on the promptings of the Spirit when giving spiritual advice during confession; without it, they're quite liable to lead people astray. Especially holy people have been vouchsafed by the Spirit such abilities as clairvoyance, knowing peoples' thoughts and future events.
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              1) How does that help me understand what you're trying to convey?
                              Just a caution to people about claiming to hear the voice of God. I think we would both agree such an idea is overdone in the church too often today.

                              2) Romans 8 (especially v. 14). Note that Paul does not contrast the flesh with the text, but with the Spirit. I agree that the text is of the Spirit, but there is no textual warrant for limiting the Spirit to the text. Do we not have the same Spirit as the apostles? Orthodox priests rely heavily on the promptings of the Spirit when giving spiritual advice during confession; without it, they're quite liable to lead people astray. Especially holy people have been vouchsafed by the Spirit such abilities as clairvoyance, knowing peoples' thoughts and future events.
                              I would want to examine each one on a case by case basis. What I would always want to know is how someone knows it's the Holy Spirit and not just their own desires.

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