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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostJust a caution to people about claiming to hear the voice of God. I think we would both agree such an idea is overdone in the church too often today.
I would want to examine each one on a case by case basis. What I would always want to know is how someone knows it's the Holy Spirit and not just their own desires.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostJust a caution to people about claiming to hear the voice of God. I think we would both agree such an idea is overdone in the church too often today.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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There were two times in my life when I believe I had a clear message from God.
The most outstanding of the two was when my older brother was dying of cancer, and I didn't know how to pray. I went out on the end of the mile-long pier where my brother and I used to fish, and just poured my heart out to God, confessing that I didn't know if it was a matter of lack of faith on my part - that God wouldn't heal him, or that I should prepare for what appeared to be the inevitable.
(He had a rare form of cancer than had already invaded all of his vital organs, and was inside the cheeks of his mouth, his nostrils, his ears.... If he lived, what hope would there be?)
It was a very clear unambiguous message from God - "I'm bringing him home". It gave me an amazing peace, and I then knew how to pray, and was able to be a comfort to my 5 younger sisters.Last edited by Cow Poke; 12-12-2018, 02:01 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'll have to take your word for it, because I'm not too familiar with that.
Well, the people who have been granted such abilities have spent decades denying their desires through ascetic practices. Anything reflecting self-glory is rejected straitway. One also must have a deep knowledge of the Scriptures, so one can test the spirits to see whether they be of God; anything contrary to Scripture is also rejected out of hand.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI think what it means is that if you are hearing and following the message of Jesus, you are hearing God in what Jesus says. Jesus is not talking about a personal individual experience.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'll have to take your word for it, because I'm not too familiar with that.
Well, the people who have been granted such abilities have spent decades denying their desires through ascetic practices. Anything reflecting self-glory is rejected straitway. One also must have a deep knowledge of the Scriptures, so one can test the spirits to see whether they be of God; anything contrary to Scripture is also rejected out of hand.Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe was speaking to Pharisees about them not hearing God and saying that he did. He said that that they did not belong to God because they didn't hear or know what God wanted as if it should be self-evident to them if they did belong to God. Sounds pretty personal to me.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'll have to take your word for it, because I'm not too familiar with that.
Well, the people who have been granted such abilities have spent decades denying their desires through ascetic practices. Anything reflecting self-glory is rejected straitway. One also must have a deep knowledge of the Scriptures, so one can test the spirits to see whether they be of God; anything contrary to Scripture is also rejected out of hand.Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo is it your opinion that the only guidance we get from God is by reading scripture then?
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostGod can give us other guidance if He wishes, but I think the primary way is Scripture.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostGod can give us other guidance if He wishes, but I think the primary way is Scripture. God gave us an entire book called Proverbs to learn how to make wise decisions. I see no reason to think he jettisoned that in the New Covenant.
You seem to be indecisive.
The scriptures give us general moral guidelines and parameters on how to act in various situations. But I know that I have felt God prompting me specifically in some circumstances, wanting me to do something. I have never "heard" an audible voice, but more of a feeling, a nagging at my conscience.
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