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    Luke 22:70

    Luke 22:70
    70 They all asked, “Are You, then, the Son of God?”

    And He said to them, “You say that I am.”

    Mark 14:61: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

    62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Matthew 26: Then the high priest said to Him, “By the living God I place You under oath: tell us if You are the Messiah, the Son of God!”

    64 “You have said it, Jesus told him.

    Mark is a definite affirmative response, but Luke 22 and Matthew 26 don't appear to be positive affirmative responses.

    Is there anything in Greek that explains this?

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Luke 22:70
    70 They all asked, “Are You, then, the Son of God?”

    And He said to them, “You say that I am.”

    Mark 14:61: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

    62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Matthew 26: Then the high priest said to Him, “By the living God I place You under oath: tell us if You are the Messiah, the Son of God!”

    64 “You have said it, Jesus told him.

    Mark is a definite affirmative response, but Luke 22 and Matthew 26 don't appear to be a positive affirmative response.

    Is there anything in Greek that explains this?

    Thanks.
    As far as I recall, in Greek (unlike English), such constructions are an implied affirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    As far as I recall, in Greek (unlike English), such constructions are an implied affirmation.
    Would you please expound on that a bit?

    How is it an implied affirmation?

    NET Bible says: Jesus’ reply, “You say that I am,” was not a denial, but a way of giving a qualified positive response: “You have said it, but I do not quite mean what you think.”

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    In the case of Mark 14, there is at least the outside chance that Mark chose his wording to show Christ making a claim of deity, esp. since he places "I am" in the immediate proximity to "right hand of power," "clouds of heaven," etc. Some translations actually capitalize the "I AM."

    Edit -- The ISV for one seems to go out of its way to emphasize "I AM." Even in Luke 22, they strain the translation a bit to get "You said it, I AM."

    Edit -- Actually, that may not be a stretch. Green's Literal has "You say it, because I AM!" The word "that" in the NET can mean, per Strong and other lexicons, "because."
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    In the Tyndale commentary on Luke, we have the description
    His reply means something like, "That is your word, not mine. I would not have put it like hat, but since your have, I cannot deny it.

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    We can note here Matthew's account of Jesus' answer to Judas' question, and similarly in Luke 23:3:

    And Judas, who was betraying Him, said, “Surely it is not I, Rabbi?” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself.” (Mt 26:25)1

    So here it seems to be a solemn way of saying "yes".

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    1. "It" not being in the Greek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    As far as I recall, in Greek (unlike English), such constructions are an implied affirmation.
    Someone else explained it this way:

    There was a method of Jewish didactic rhetoric which, instead of expositing assertions of truth, led the listener along a path with clues until the listener realized and pronounced it himself. The rabbi would then say, "You have said it," as in "You have realized the correct conclusion yourself and your declaration is true."

    So "you have said it" represents Jesus's exact words. "I am" was Mark's dynamic equivalence, for Gentiles unfamiliar with this rabbinic didactic.

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