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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThank you for providing this, at least. It's not quite as damning on its face as you imply, since the qualifiers on "evidence" would not refer to actual evidence - but it would not surprise me if it was used to dismiss actual evidence. There is a reason I no longer support AiG. I no longer think the YEC interpretation is especially likely.
That said, you're doing a whole lot of broad brushing in your screed, much of it having little to do with actual evidence. You complain of cherry-picking while engaging in it extensively yourself. Just my 0.02.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 12-15-2018, 10:00 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postit doesn't much matter to me which one happens to be correct, because it doesn't change anything as far as my worldview is concerned.
...always go back to the Cross....
Thus the typical YEC view is that not only does accepting an old earth mean a denial of biblical inerrancy, it also makes the cross meaningless."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThank you for providing this, at least. It's not quite as damning on its face as you imply, since the qualifiers on "evidence" would not refer to actual evidence - but it would not surprise me if it was used to dismiss actual evidence. There is a reason I no longer support AiG. I no longer think the YEC interpretation is especially likely.
That said, you're doing a whole lot of broad brushing in your screed, much of it having little to do with actual evidence. You complain of cherry-picking while engaging in it extensively yourself. Just my 0.02.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post...always go back to the Cross....
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhich has nothing to do with questions concerning the age of God's creation or whether or not life has changed and adapted after it arose -- in spite of folks like Ken Ham trying to base our salvation upon it."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, I've heard that song and dance before, and it doesn't get any better the more I hear it.
For the record, I have no firm opinion about the age of the Earth one way or the other. I think a good case can be made for a variety of hypotheses, and it doesn't much matter to me which one happens to be correct, because it doesn't change anything as far as my worldview is concerned."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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It is always refreshing to go back in history to put things into perspective when having these sorts of discussions. Let's take a look on how a student reported on Martin Luther's critique of heliocentrism:
"There was mention of a certain new astrologer who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and trees were moving. Luther remarked, 'So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever … must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. … I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.'" https://www.christianitytoday.com/hi...opernicus.htmlLast edited by Charles; 12-16-2018, 05:18 AM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth...
Even the most brilliant scientist will speak casually of sunrise and sunset, not "that point in time where the earth has sufficiently rotated to such an extent to where the sun is visible on the horizon....."
By the way.... looks like the beginnings of a beautiful sunrise in Texas, so....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat a clown.
Even the most brilliant scientist will speak casually of sunrise and sunset, not "that point in time where the earth has sufficiently rotated to such an extent to where the sun is visible on the horizon....."
By the way.... looks like the beginnings of a beautiful sunrise in Texas, so....
sunrise Sunday.jpg
It will continue to "travel across the sky" before "setting" in the early evening.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe moral ideas that drive the abortion debate are not science. Science can answer questions like when does the developing baby feel pain, when does its heart beat, when does it have brain waves. It can't answer the moral question of whether or not that developing persons rights are equal to its mothers. It can't judge under what circumstances it is acceptable to terminate the pregnancy and when it is not. We define those things based on our morals and our ideology. Science can't define what is wrong or what is right. That is a moral, ideological judgement. If our moral judgement says a person has rights once they can think, then we can use science to determine when that developing baby starts to think. But abortion is fundamentally a moral issue, not a scientific one.
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe moral ideas that drive the abortion debate are not science. Science can answer questions like when does the developing baby feel pain, when does its heart beat, when does it have brain waves. It can't answer the moral question of whether or not that developing persons rights are equal to its mothers. It can't judge under what circumstances it is acceptable to terminate the pregnancy and when it is not. We define those things based on our morals and our ideology. Science can't define what is wrong or what is right. That is a moral, ideological judgement. If our moral judgement says a person has rights once they can think, then we can use science to determine when that developing baby starts to think. But abortion is fundamentally a moral issue, not a scientific one.
Jim"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe moral ideas that drive the abortion debate are not science. Science can answer questions like when does the developing baby feel pain, when does its heart beat, when does it have brain waves. It can't answer the moral question of whether or not that developing persons rights are equal to its mothers. It can't judge under what circumstances it is acceptable to terminate the pregnancy and when it is not. We define those things based on our morals and our ideology. Science can't define what is wrong or what is right. That is a moral, ideological judgement. If our moral judgement says a person has rights once they can think, then we can use science to determine when that developing baby starts to think. But abortion is fundamentally a moral issue, not a scientific one.
Jim"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat a clown.
Even the most brilliant scientist will speak casually of sunrise and sunset, not "that point in time where the earth has sufficiently rotated to such an extent to where the sun is visible on the horizon....."
By the way.... looks like the beginnings of a beautiful sunrise in Texas, so....Last edited by Charles; 12-16-2018, 12:35 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostIt is always refreshing to go back in history to put things into perspective when having these sorts of discussions. Let's take a look on how a student reported on Martin Luther's critique of heliocentrism:
I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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