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    Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?

    Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?

    If yes, tell me where citing verses.

    Thanks.

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    Not specifically, but he does claim equality and oneness with God. And there are verses in the OT that talk about the Messiah being God.

    Jesus uses the name I AM for himself:

    John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

    He claims to be the Judge of all mankind:

    Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    John 5: 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him

    He accepted worship:

    Matthew 2:11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.

    Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

    Matthew 28:9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

    Luke 24:51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

    John 9:37 Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." 38 Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him

    Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."



    Only God is to be worshiped: Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Not specifically, but he does claim equality and oneness with God. And there are verses in the OT that talk about the Messiah being God.

    Jesus uses the name I AM for himself:

    John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

    He claims to be the Judge of all mankind:

    Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    John 5: 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him

    He accepted worship:

    Matthew 2:11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.

    Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

    Matthew 28:9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

    Luke 24:51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

    John 9:37 Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." 38 Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him

    Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."



    Only God is to be worshiped: Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
    And don't forget John 16:7
    But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper (parakletos - aka Holy Spirit) will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
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    Daniel 7. He claims to be the son of man figure. That is a divine claim.

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    How about John 17:5?

    Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence
    with that glory I had with You
    before the world existed.

    Isn't Jesus saying He is eternal -- the eternal word of God made flesh?

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    How about John 3:13?

    No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    How about John 3:13?

    No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.
    Here's an important verse for Jesus' claims to deity.

    John 8:58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    The I Am being the covenant name for God, or YHWH. It's a pretty explicit claim.

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    The Great Commission is a clear statement of the Trinity:

    And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Mt 28:18–20)

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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    The thing about the trinity ( as revealed in the scriptures ) is that it is revealed more in the experiences of Jesus and the Apostles. This includes what jesus taught about the Father, himself, and what the Apostles experienced and knew about God from the Tanakh. Here is a good example of the disciples or witness' practical experience of the Trinity...

    Matthew 3:15-17 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, the Beloved, with whom I am well pleased.”

    .....and here is example of the Apostles practical experience of the Triune God as well...

    1 Peter 1:1-2 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    Salutation

    1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

    To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood:

    May grace and peace be yours in abundance.


    One thing we have to keep in mind is that many people believe in the deity of Christ. But at the same time, they deny the teaching that God is three co-equal and co-eternal " persons " within the one being of God.
    “Every promise of Scripture is a writing of God, which may be pleaded before Him with this reasonable request, ‘Do as Thou hast said.’ The Heavenly Father will not break His Word to His own child.”― Charles H. Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWall View Post
    Daniel 7. He claims to be the son of man figure. That is a divine claim.
    Yep. And on top of the that, the son of man approaches the Ancient of Days, which shows that these are two different and distinct " persons. "
    “Every promise of Scripture is a writing of God, which may be pleaded before Him with this reasonable request, ‘Do as Thou hast said.’ The Heavenly Father will not break His Word to His own child.”― Charles H. Spurgeon

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