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Thread: Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?

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    I read your answers but still did not answer my question how there can be ONLY ONE God if Jesus God the word was with God according to John 1:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    I read your answers but still did not answer my question how there can be ONLY ONE God if Jesus God the word was with God according to John 1:1
    I did answer your question.

    Doesn't your Allah create via his word? Yes. Doesn't that mean that your Allah's word was with your Allah? Yes. Does that mean that your Allah had another God create because his word was with him? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I did answer your question.

    Doesn't your Allah create via his word? Yes. Doesn't that mean that your Allah's word was with your Allah? Yes. Does that mean that your Allah had another God create because his word was with him? No.
    The problem does not end here. Because Jesus said in Revelation 3:21 "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" and therefore, there is only one God and Jesus cannot be God and be sitting with God the Father on his throne. Otherwise, if Jesus were "GOD" sitting with GOD the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21, there is more more than one God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    The problem does not end here. Because Jesus said in Revelation 3:21 "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" and therefore, there is only one God and Jesus cannot be God and be sitting with God the Father on his throne. Otherwise, if Jesus were "GOD" sitting with GOD the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21, there is more more than one God.
    See my post #136.

    Keep in mind that Christians only believe in One God.

    I have already explained the incarnation to you.

    As a Muslim you should be concerned that your Allah had never heard of the incarnation and if I were you I would be concerned that nowhere in the Bible is your prophet Muhammad foretold. In addition, if I were a Muslim I would be concerned that the Qur'an says that Jesus did not die and was not crucified when it is plain that Jesus said He would die and did.
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    Hi Christian3,

    Saying Jesus was fully God and fully man at same time imposes problems so when Jesus the God also died on the cross, then we have impossibility because God cannot die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Hi Christian3,

    Saying Jesus was fully God and fully man at same time imposes problems so when Jesus the God also died on the cross, then we have impossibility because God cannot die.
    Who is God according to Christianity? Answer: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Who died on the cross Hakeem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Who is God according to Christianity? Answer: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    The answer, according to Christianity, is the trinity which is the belief that God is one manifested in three Persons; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit; each Person is fully God.



    Who died on the cross Hakeem?
    According to Christianity Jesus died, then was Jesus-the man or Jesus-the-God that died on the cross? If Jesus-the-man died, then Jesus-the-man could not save others, since "every man is to die for HIS OWN sin" according to God in 2 Kings 14:6. If, on the other hand, Jesus-the-God died, then we have an impossibility since God can't die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    According to Christianity Jesus died, then was Jesus-the man or Jesus-the-God that died on the cross? If Jesus-the-man died, then Jesus-the-man could not save others, since "every man is to die for HIS OWN sin" according to God in 2 Kings 14:6. If, on the other hand, Jesus-the-God died, then we have an impossibility since God can't die.
    God does not die.

    The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days.

    It is important to realize that the Trinity still existed, but one of them was separated from the others. This is the great sacrifice of God. For the first time ever, the love of God suffered loss.

    Judaism teaches that the death of the righteous atones.

    Numbers 20:

    The entire congregation of the children of Israel arrived at the desert of Zin in the first month, and the people settled in Kadesh. Miriam died there and was buried there.

    Rashi's note: Miriam died there: Why is the passage relating Miriam’s death juxtaposed with the passage of the Red Cow? To teach you that just as sacrifices bring atonement, so the death of the righteous secure atonement.

    Jesus was righteous, without sin; even Islam teaches that Satan touches everyone except Jesus and Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    God does not die.

    The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days.

    It is important to realize that the Trinity still existed, but one of them was separated from the others. This is the great sacrifice of God. For the first time ever, the love of God suffered loss.

    Judaism teaches that the death of the righteous atones.

    Numbers 20:

    The entire congregation of the children of Israel arrived at the desert of Zin in the first month, and the people settled in Kadesh. Miriam died there and was buried there.

    Rashi's note: Miriam died there: Why is the passage relating Miriam’s death juxtaposed with the passage of the Red Cow? To teach you that just as sacrifices bring atonement, so the death of the righteous secure atonement.

    Jesus was righteous, without sin; even Islam teaches that Satan touches everyone except Jesus and Mary.
    You saying "The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days" is not correct because mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus was fully God and fully man AT THE SAME TIME; in other words, God incarnate. Also, if it was Jesus the man that died, then Jesus could not save others because according to the Bible in 2 Kings 14:6 "every man is to die FOR HIS OWN sin"

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    Even Jesus refuted that the Holy Spirit (the third person in Trinity) is God in Matthew 24:36. Jesus said “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the Father." According to Jesus in Matthew 24:36, ONLY the Father that knows that hour and hence excluding the Holy Spirit and proving that the Holy Spirit is not God.

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