I read your answers but still did not answer my question how there can be ONLY ONE God if Jesus God the word was with God according to John 1:1
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostI read your answers but still did not answer my question how there can be ONLY ONE God if Jesus God the word was with God according to John 1:1
Doesn't your Allah create via his word? Yes. Doesn't that mean that your Allah's word was with your Allah? Yes. Does that mean that your Allah had another God create because his word was with him? No.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI did answer your question.
Doesn't your Allah create via his word? Yes. Doesn't that mean that your Allah's word was with your Allah? Yes. Does that mean that your Allah had another God create because his word was with him? No.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThe problem does not end here. Because Jesus said in Revelation 3:21 "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" and therefore, there is only one God and Jesus cannot be God and be sitting with God the Father on his throne. Otherwise, if Jesus were "GOD" sitting with GOD the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21, there is more more than one God.
Keep in mind that Christians only believe in One God.
I have already explained the incarnation to you.
As a Muslim you should be concerned that your Allah had never heard of the incarnation and if I were you I would be concerned that nowhere in the Bible is your prophet Muhammad foretold. In addition, if I were a Muslim I would be concerned that the Qur'an says that Jesus did not die and was not crucified when it is plain that Jesus said He would die and did.Last edited by Christian3; 11-08-2019, 03:12 PM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostHi Christian3,
Saying Jesus was fully God and fully man at same time imposes problems so when Jesus the God also died on the cross, then we have impossibility because God cannot die.
Who died on the cross Hakeem?
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostWho is God according to Christianity? Answer: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The answer, according to Christianity, is the trinity which is the belief that God is one manifested in three Persons; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit; each Person is fully God.
Who died on the cross Hakeem?
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostAccording to Christianity Jesus died, then was Jesus-the man or Jesus-the-God that died on the cross? If Jesus-the-man died, then Jesus-the-man could not save others, since "every man is to die for HIS OWN sin" according to God in 2 Kings 14:6. If, on the other hand, Jesus-the-God died, then we have an impossibility since God can't die.
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You saying "The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days" is not correct because mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus was fully God and fully man AT THE SAME TIME; in other words, God incarnate. Also, if it was Jesus the man that died, then Jesus could not save others because according to the Bible in 2 Kings 14:6 "every man is to die FOR HIS OWN sin"
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostYou saying "The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days" is not correct because mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus was fully God and fully man AT THE SAME TIME; in other words, God incarnate. Also, if it was Jesus the man that died, then Jesus could not save others because according to the Bible in 2 Kings 14:6 "every man is to die FOR HIS OWN sin"
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There is an ordering or a chain of command within the Trinity. All comes from the Father. It is the Father who sends the son; the son never sends the Father. God sends His Holy Spirit and tells Him what to do and speak. That is why Peter said if you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God.
The Father is highest in authority. That is why Jesus said the Father is greater than I -- greater in authority, but not in essence.
You do not understand the Trinity and have no attempt to learn. I can recommend some books:
The Trinity: Evidence And Issues by Robert Morey
The Forgotten Trinity by Dr. James R. White
Testimonies Of The Ante-Nicene Fathers To The Doctrine Of The Trinity by Edward Burton
The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship by Robert Letham
God in Three Persons by E. Calvin Beisner
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance by Bruce A. Ware
Trinity & Triunity: Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead by E. Charles Heinze
The Trinitarian Controversy by William G. Rusch
The Trinity by Edward H. Bickersteth
The Trinity In The New Testament by Arthur W. Wainwright
Making Sense of The Trinity by Millard J. Erickson
It's too bad you have not been sincere in your posts.
Good luck.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI've answered your questions. I've discussed Islam and Christianity with dozens and dozens of Muslims and I can tell when one is sincere in their questions and you are not. Either that or you have comprehension problems and I can't help you with that.
I was naïve enough to think you might be sincere and since I am the only one replying to your posts, it seems other Christians were on to you before I was.
Bottom line: God saved us from our sins at the cross; that is why Jesus said:
Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
Jesus said in John 17: This is eternal life:
that they may know You, the only true God,
and the One You have sentJesus Christ.
You don't know the one true God or Jesus Christ.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 11-12-2019, 03:48 PM.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostThere is an ordering or a chain of command within the Trinity. All comes from the Father. It is the Father who sends the son; the son never sends the Father. God sends His Holy Spirit and tells Him what to do and speak. That is why Peter said if you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God.
The Father is highest in authority. That is why Jesus said the Father is greater than I -- greater in authority, but not in essence.
You do not understand the Trinity and have no attempt to learn. I can recommend some books:
The Trinity: Evidence And Issues by Robert Morey
The Forgotten Trinity by Dr. James R. White
Testimonies Of The Ante-Nicene Fathers To The Doctrine Of The Trinity by Edward Burton
The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship by Robert Letham
God in Three Persons by E. Calvin Beisner
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance by Bruce A. Ware
Trinity & Triunity: Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead by E. Charles Heinze
The Trinitarian Controversy by William G. Rusch
The Trinity by Edward H. Bickersteth
The Trinity In The New Testament by Arthur W. Wainwright
Making Sense of The Trinity by Millard J. Erickson
It's too bad you have not been sincere in your posts.
Good luck.
Trinity is the belief that God is one manifested in thee Persons; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and each Person is fully God.
My objection to the Trinity is specific to the third Person that is the Holy Spirit when Jesus Christ said specifically "ONLY THE FATHER" knows that day and that hour in Matthew 24:36 hence excluding the Holy Spirit to know that hour in Matthew 24:36; therefore, the Holy Spirit cannot be God as explained earlier because God knows everything.
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