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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    You saying "The human body of Jesus Christ died on the cross and the Son (second person of the Trinity) was separated from the Father and the Holy Spirit for three days" is not correct because mainstream Christianity teaches that Jesus was fully God and fully man AT THE SAME TIME; in other words, God incarnate. Also, if it was Jesus the man that died, then Jesus could not save others because according to the Bible in 2 Kings 14:6 "every man is to die FOR HIS OWN sin"
    I've answered your questions. I've discussed Islam and Christianity with dozens and dozens of Muslims and I can tell when one is sincere in their questions and you are not. Either that or you have comprehension problems and I can't help you with that.

    I was naïve enough to think you might be sincere and since I am the only one replying to your posts, it seems other Christians were on to you before I was.

    Bottom line: God saved us from our sins at the cross; that is why Jesus said:

    Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

    Jesus said in John 17: This is eternal life:
    that they may know You, the only true God,
    and the One You have sent—Jesus Christ.

    You don't know the one true God or Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Even Jesus refuted that the Holy Spirit (the third person in Trinity) is God in Matthew 24:36. Jesus said “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the Father." According to Jesus in Matthew 24:36, ONLY the Father that knows that hour and hence excluding the Holy Spirit and proving that the Holy Spirit is not God.
    There is an ordering or a chain of command within the Trinity. All comes from the Father. It is the Father who sends the son; the son never sends the Father. God sends His Holy Spirit and tells Him what to do and speak. That is why Peter said if you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God.

    The Father is highest in authority. That is why Jesus said the Father is greater than I -- greater in authority, but not in essence.

    You do not understand the Trinity and have no attempt to learn. I can recommend some books:

    The Trinity: Evidence And Issues by Robert Morey
    The Forgotten Trinity by Dr. James R. White
    Testimonies Of The Ante-Nicene Fathers To The Doctrine Of The Trinity by Edward Burton
    The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship by Robert Letham
    God in Three Persons by E. Calvin Beisner
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance by Bruce A. Ware
    Trinity & Triunity: Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead by E. Charles Heinze
    The Trinitarian Controversy by William G. Rusch
    The Trinity by Edward H. Bickersteth
    The Trinity In The New Testament by Arthur W. Wainwright
    Making Sense of The Trinity by Millard J. Erickson

    It's too bad you have not been sincere in your posts.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I've answered your questions. I've discussed Islam and Christianity with dozens and dozens of Muslims and I can tell when one is sincere in their questions and you are not. Either that or you have comprehension problems and I can't help you with that.

    I was naïve enough to think you might be sincere and since I am the only one replying to your posts, it seems other Christians were on to you before I was.

    Bottom line: God saved us from our sins at the cross; that is why Jesus said:

    Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

    Jesus said in John 17: This is eternal life:
    that they may know You, the only true God,
    and the One You have sent—Jesus Christ.

    You don't know the one true God or Jesus Christ.
    You saying "You don't know the one true God or Jesus Christ" is not true because the only true God is the Father who sent Jesus Christ according to John 17:1-3;

    After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

    1“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
    Last edited by Same Hakeem; 11-12-2019 at 02:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    There is an ordering or a chain of command within the Trinity. All comes from the Father. It is the Father who sends the son; the son never sends the Father. God sends His Holy Spirit and tells Him what to do and speak. That is why Peter said if you have lied to the Holy Spirit you have lied to God.

    The Father is highest in authority. That is why Jesus said the Father is greater than I -- greater in authority, but not in essence.

    You do not understand the Trinity and have no attempt to learn. I can recommend some books:

    The Trinity: Evidence And Issues by Robert Morey
    The Forgotten Trinity by Dr. James R. White
    Testimonies Of The Ante-Nicene Fathers To The Doctrine Of The Trinity by Edward Burton
    The Holy Trinity: In Scripture, History, Theology, and Worship by Robert Letham
    God in Three Persons by E. Calvin Beisner
    Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Relationships, Roles, and Relevance by Bruce A. Ware
    Trinity & Triunity: Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead by E. Charles Heinze
    The Trinitarian Controversy by William G. Rusch
    The Trinity by Edward H. Bickersteth
    The Trinity In The New Testament by Arthur W. Wainwright
    Making Sense of The Trinity by Millard J. Erickson

    It's too bad you have not been sincere in your posts.

    Good luck.
    You saying "You do not understand the Trinity and have no attempt to learn it" is not true because I stated to you the definition of Trinity and I will re-say it as follows;

    Trinity is the belief that God is one manifested in thee Persons; the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and each Person is fully God.

    My objection to the Trinity is specific to the third Person that is the Holy Spirit when Jesus Christ said specifically "ONLY THE FATHER" knows that day and that hour in Matthew 24:36 hence excluding the Holy Spirit to know that hour in Matthew 24:36; therefore, the Holy Spirit cannot be God as explained earlier because God knows everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I've answered your questions. I've discussed Islam and Christianity with dozens and dozens of Muslims and I can tell when one is sincere in their questions and you are not. Either that or you have comprehension problems and I can't help you with that.

    I was naïve enough to think you might be sincere and since I am the only one replying to your posts, it seems other Christians were on to you before I was.

    Bottom line: God saved us from our sins at the cross; that is why Jesus said:

    Mark 10:45: For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

    Jesus said in John 17: This is eternal life:
    that they may know You, the only true God,
    and the One You have sent—Jesus Christ.

    You don't know the one true God or Jesus Christ.
    Christian3 don't waste your time. Hakeem just brings the same refuted arguments over and over, then leaves for a while hoping people forget what happened last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Christian3 don't waste your time. Hakeem just brings the same refuted arguments over and over, then leaves for a while hoping people forget what happened last time.
    It appears that way, Cerebrum123. As Jesus said in Matthew 7 and Matthew 10:

    6 Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs...

    14 And if anyone will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

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    Very untrue. None cannot refute what Jesus Christ says in Matthew 24:36 "ONLY THE FATHER" knows that hour. Only means only. Matthew 24:36 does not give exceptions.

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    Like Matthew 24:36, no one can refute what Jesus Christ says in John 17:1-3 that the "Father" "the ONLY TRUE GOD". Again, only means only.

    Below are John 17:1-3 (NIV);

    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Like Matthew 24:36, no one can refute what Jesus Christ says in John 17:1-3 that the "Father" "the ONLY TRUE GOD". Again, only means only.

    Below are John 17:1-3 (NIV);

    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
    The God of Israel is the only true God vs idols and false gods.

    In John 17:5 Jesus as the incarnate Word of God said He existed before the world existed. Only God existed before the world existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    The God of Israel is the only true God vs idols and false gods.

    In John 17:5 Jesus as the incarnate Word of God said He existed before the world existed. Only God existed before the world existed.
    There are certain corrections I need to make for you;

    1. You saying "The God of Israel is the only true God" is made clear by Jesus calling the Father "the only true God" in John 17:3.

    2. You saying "In John 17:5 Jesus as the incarnate Word of God said He existed before the world existed" does not make Jesus God because ,for example, the wisdom existed from everlasting according to Proverbs 8:23:

    "He established me before time was in the beginning, before he made the earth"

    Also, according to Hebrews 7:3, Melchizedek is " Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God"

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