Shutdown Over Border Security?

[Tassman]

What you don't seem to realize is that

1. Trump doesn't care about approval ratings. He never has.
2. Trump is a narcissist. An ego maniac. He literally CAN'T give in unless he can save face and make it look like it was his idea and he won.

A "narcissist, ego maniac" that doesn't care about approval ratings. Yeah that makes sense.

[Tassman]

It's not enough to do hardly anything with and provides no margin of error.

Trump brought this upon himself. He had his chance and blew it; this is is still better than nothing.

But not enough money to actually accomplish it. That's what I have been saying. Dems give lip service to border security.

The Dems have made three bi-partisan offers which have been rejected by Trump…the last at the instigation of Fox News anchors.

In word, maybe, but the old expression "put your money where your mouth is" seems to be lost on her and Chuckles.

See above re previous bi-partisan offers.

I declared that it had nothing to do with talk radio and everything to do with the Freedom Caucus. They made the pitch that it wasn't enough.

He was terrified of alienating his all-important base as explicitly threatened by Coulter and Rush Limbaugh telling him they would not support him in 2020 if he caved in.

Sorry, no. It's the crypt keeper Nancy Pelosi and Chuckles' shutdown.

"Crypt keeper!

I guess you missed the oval office meeting where Trump clearly told Nancy and Chuck that he would “own the shutdown.”

Last I saw, 2/3 of the decision making entities are controlled by the Republican party, so no. Left wing minority rules are using a few hundred thousand government workers as political fodder. More and more lawmakers are coming to realize it and break with Nancy and Chuckles

2/3 of the right-wing decision making entities are controlled by Trump. But more and more Republican lawmakers are coming to realize that, by aligning themselves with Trump and his support base, they are losing voter support.

And the crypt keeper Nancy isn't??? There's only TWO reasons this shutdown is happening. 1) Trump wants something, so Nancy obstructs it. and 2) More illegals = more DACA = more votes for the leftist pimps.

A majority of Americans oppose building Trump's wall, but 83% support giving Dreamers citizenship.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/i...hmq9jHf7Jo4.99

So much for “leftist pimps”; Pelosi is reflecting the will of the majority of voters.

No. I assure you I am not confusing them. Nancy is a pimp forcing illegal children to depend on her for citizenship just like a prostitute depends on their drug pushing pimp who got them strung out. And YOU keep voting for the pimps. You should be ashamed of yourself, if you even had a passing knowledge of what shame and self-reflection were...

Well I guess Trump supporters know all about pimps. See above re those that support the dreamers and oppose the Trumpian wall as originally conceived.

[rogue06]

You think the treasonous crook will actually get through his first term?

Hillary wasn't elected?

[rogue06]

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Of course they aren't alone. Something like three times as many lobbyists accompanied them.

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Like bikini inspections

[One Bad Pig]

Like Nixon, he'll resign if he understands he will otherwise be impeached. He'll most likely be indicted, or actually there is a pretty good chance that he's been secretly indicted already, though it won't be acted on until he is out of office.

What makes you think he'll resign, even in that scenario? "First president to be impeached" might be a nice feather in his cap.

[rogue06]

What makes you think he'll resign, even in that scenario? "First president to be impeached" might be a nice feather in his cap.

Third president to be impeached. Of course the first two were acquitted by the Senate.

[Bill the Cat]

Nope, people like you Bill, just like in the Joseph McCarthy era and the Nixon era.

Nope. People like you Jim.

[One Bad Pig]

Third president to be impeached. Of course the first two were acquitted by the Senate.

True. He'd be the first convicted after impeachment.

[Bill the Cat]

Trump brought this upon himself. He had his chance and blew it; this is is still better than nothing.

"Let them eat cake" is your response, just like Nancy the Crypt Keeper. After all, it's better than nothing, right?

The Dems have made three bi-partisan offers which have been rejected by Trump…the last at the instigation of Fox News anchors.

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See above re previous bi-partisan offers.

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He was terrified of alienating his all-important base as explicitly threatened by Coulter and Rush Limbaugh telling him they would not support him in 2020 if he caved in.

That's what CNN told you. It isn't true.

"Crypt keeper!

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I guess you missed the oval office meeting where Trump clearly told Nancy and Chuck that he would “own the shutdown.”

Modeling how to be responsible for decisions you make obviously missed them. Trump wasn't bothering with blame. He just wanted results, which they are withholding for no reason other than being petty.

2/3 of the right-wing decision making entities are controlled by Trump. But more and more Republican lawmakers are coming to realize that, by aligning themselves with Trump and his support base, they are losing voter support.

It's a risk to accept short term discomfort for long term success.

A majority of Americans oppose building Trump's wall, but 83% support giving Dreamers citizenship.

That's pathetic on both propositions. But not unexpected considering the agenda of blatant misinformation the MSM has given to each. Most Americans haven't been to the border, talked to the agents on the ground, nor taken the time to actually see what is needed and how much it will cost. And most don't realize the magnet that granting 3.5 Million illegals citizenship will create. Incentivizing illegal behavior has never ended well.

So much for “leftist pimps”; Pelosi is reflecting the will of the majority of voters.

It's classic prostitution (which half of the country feels should be legal). It's Offering citizenship (personal gain) for votes (services rendered). Whether most people favor it or not is inconsequential. It's detrimental to the country to create a neon "Come one-come all" sign that says "to hell with the laws"

Well I guess Trump supporters know all about pimps.

Yup. Dealing with Democrats as often as we have to, you idiots make your motives pretty clear. We'll give you citizenship for your votes.

See above re those that support the dreamers and oppose the Trumpian wall as originally conceived.

See above re those that support prostitution. Popularity doesn't make something right.

[Mountain Man]

Modeling how to be responsible for decisions you make obviously missed them. Trump wasn't bothering with blame. He just wanted results, which they are withholding for no reason other than being petty.

Trump thinks like a businessman, not a politician. A businessman demands results. Politicians revel in processes even if they never actually accomplish anything.

Source: Systemic Shock…

Imagine having a president taking over and bringing the CEO perspective to the operation; who asks, at any given moment in time, entirely unanticipated by those in the middle of the system, for updates on their function?… When is “X” going to happen? Where are we with “X”? How soon before “X” is delivering a result? Who is measuring “X’s” result?… and let the “X-er” group know know I want to talk to them tomorrow, at 9:15am, for 18 to 23 minutes, so I can evaluate their success.

Now imagine that common sense question; a business review/inquiry toward achieving an actual measurable goal; happening for hundreds of simultaneous “X’s” on any given day or week… amid a system of process administrators… that have never delivered an actionable and quantifiable result?

In the big picture, we can only imagine how foreign that would be to thousands of people who have absolutely no concept of private sector accountability or efficiency.

Imagine how those who built a career on never-ending process must feel about a system-wide shift in priority toward achieving a result.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ystemic-shock/

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[Mountain Man]

2/3 of the right-wing decision making entities are controlled by Trump. But more and more Republican lawmakers are coming to realize that, by aligning themselves with Trump and his support base, they are losing voter support.

False. The majority of candidates endorsed by Trump in the midterms won their races; it was the ones who did everything they could to distance themselves from our duly elected President who suffered devastating losses.

[rogue06]

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[Sparko]

A "narcissist, ego maniac" that doesn't care about approval ratings. Yeah that makes sense.

He thinks he is the best, the greatest, so why would he listen to someone who told him he wasn't?

[carpedm9587]

You think the treasonous crook will actually get through his first term?

I not only think so - I actually hope so.

But I prefer not to call him a "treasonous crook." Those are legal terms and there has been no judicial conclusion, at this point. I have no idea of Trump has been treasonous - or if he is a crook, so I prefer NOT to do what he and many who follow him do - and call for a verdict before there has been a trial.

I DO think he is a vile man. But I want that vile man right where he is for the next two years. The alternatives, IMO, are worse.

[carpedm9587]

He thinks he is the best, the greatest, so why would he listen to someone who told him he wasn't?

And you don't see a problem with that...?