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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]34547[/ATTACH]
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
The only urgency is Trump’s fear of losing his base, the only ones who really want his wall.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou can object to Pelosi’s demurring over the Trump State of the Union if you want. But we all know that Trump would misuse the occasion for a blatantly inappropriate party-political, factually misleading speech re the (non-existent) “urgency” for a wall that the majority of the country doesn’t want.
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
The only urgency is Trump’s fear of losing his base, the only ones who really want his wall.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostEvery president I have ever watched has leveraged the SOTU to praise themselves and their party and their platform.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou and Seer and Sparko are definitely fans of pointless well poisoning.
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For the rest, I stand by the observation that the Today show, Good Morning America, Fox and Friends, Hannity, Maddow, and all of the programs of their ilk are not "news." They are the visual equivalent of columnists. Because of how they are structured - they confuse a lot of people - no question about it.
And what matters is what the guests on these shows say and who they are. As I noted some are the network's top tier correspondents
Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Likewise on NBC’s Today show one of the network's White House correspondent Peter Alexander gushed over how Pelosi was "flexing her muscles" but the same program described Trump as being full of "pettiness."
And you missed this as well.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt wasn't just CNN.
NBC's Chief White House correspondent Hallie Jackson and Ali Velshi, a senior economic and business correspondent for NBC News
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou can object to Pelosi’s demurring over the Trump State of the Union if you want. But we all know that Trump would misuse the occasion for a blatantly inappropriate party-political, factually misleading speech re the (non-existent) “urgency” for a wall that the majority of the country doesn’t want.
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
The only urgency is Trump’s fear of losing his base, the only ones who really want his wall.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe fact that Trump would rally national support for the wall
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
(something overwhelmingly supported by the Border Patrol and ICE) is likely a key reason Pelosi is scared to death of the SOTU.
Most members of the Democratic caucus in Congress believe that a “wall system in strategic locations” is necessary.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...p-nbpc/580237/
It's the Trump type of wall to which Pelosi is objecting, not strategic sections of fencing as a small part of overall, comprehensive border security...which is what most people want.
Pelosi’s not scared of the SOTU. Trump, it seems, is much more scared of her because he’s stuck with a highly unpopular shutdown of his own making and has boxed himself in. He needs her.
Further considering many of the new crop of Congressmen coming in and many of the old guard she probably realizes that she doesn't stand a chance of keeping them civil during the speech. Remember the outcry over the guy who said "that's a lie" during one of Obama's SOTUs? Expect that in spades -- likely constant heckling.
You think that the optics of Pelosi and crew trying to slip out of the country on an overseas junket when people are clamoring for both sides to negotiate on the shutdown hurt the Democrats. That would be nothing if they act like petulant nasty children during the speech.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostOoooh!! Field trip to see Hillary?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes, that may well be the case, but in this instance a Trump SOTU is virtually guaranteed to be an overtly partisan attack on Pelosi plus the usual crap about the “urgency” to build a wall to stop “vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs” and “vast quantities of illegal drugs” causing “thousands of deaths” etc. etc. etc. A wall that 69% of Americans don’t think is a priority.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWrong. It's Trumps "give me what I ask for or i'll shut the government down."
Nope, and his 5.7 billion ain't gonna to build him his wall, but it will end the hostage crisis and prevent the hostage taker from resorting to that tactic again.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-21-2019, 01:58 PM.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd what matters is what the guests on these shows say and who they are. As I noted some are the network's top tier correspondents
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOdd how you could respond directly to that bit yet ask "which White House correspondents."
And you missed this as well.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostNope it is Pelosi who wants it all her way Trump has given a bit an DACA. It is Pelosi at all who are refusing to give an inch on the wall.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostHighly unlikely given that 69% of Americans don’t think Trump's border wall is a priority.
Originally posted by Tassman View Post“89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.
Most members of the Democratic caucus in Congress believe that a “wall system in strategic locations” is necessary.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...p-nbpc/580237/
Just a hair under 90% of those actually on the border trying to enforce the law support the idea of a wall. Most of the Democrats agree. But Pelosi, Schumer et al have declared they won't provide a single dollar for what is overwhelmingly wanted.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's the Trump type of wall to which Pelosi is objecting, not strategic sections of fencing as a small part of overall, comprehensive border security...which is what most people want.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostPelosi’s not scared of the SOTU. Trump, it seems, is much more scared of her because he’s stuck with a highly unpopular shutdown of his own making and has boxed himself in. He needs her.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostVisiting the troops in Afghanistan is hardly a “junket”, it’s something the second in line for the presidency has a duty to do.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostOne notes that the Commander in Chief has yet to make the effort. Although he had his own “junket” to Iraq during the shutdown, which he typically and inappropriately turned into a mini-political rally.
Trump has offered a compromise which Pelosi without even bothering to hear the details summarily shot down. This was the point when she took ownership of the shutdown. Even the vehemently anti-Trump Washington Post was flabbergasted by her and other Democrat leaders obstinate intransigence noting in their opinion page "Make a deal. Save the dreamers" that
To refuse even to talk until the government reopens does no favors to sidelined federal workers and contractors. . . . A measure of statesmanship for a member of Congress now is the ability to accept some disappointments, and shrug off the inevitable attacks from purists, if it means rescuing the lives of thousands of deserving people living among us.Last edited by rogue06; 01-21-2019, 02:33 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPerhaps it matters to you. It matters not to me. That's like calling "The View" news programming because Sarah Huckabee-Sanders or Obama were guests. Guests do not turn a talk-program into a news-program.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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