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Prophecy - The Egyptian nation will not rise again to rule
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Prophecy - The Egyptian nation will not rise again to rule
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney) -
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostProphesy? yes and no. Pretty much all the kingdoms of history no longer rule other nations. They have become nations themselves,
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by JimL View PostReally, and did the fortunes of Egypt return to the land of Pathros? And are they the lowest of nations? And btw, Israel is probably as close to Egypt as they are to any middle eastern country. Hardly prophetic, lee.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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The Egyptians did return to Pathros, which is upper Egypt, and the Egyptians have been a lowly kingdom, but this part need not continue forever. The part that will continue forever is that they will never rule other nations, and never again be the confidence of Israel, though the Egyptian dynasties lasted for thousands of years.
But no doubt Lee has some flimsy excuse why this wouldn't count as not being a lowly kingdom, not ruling other nations, and remaining in Pathros.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIn actual history, Egypt under the leadership of Muhammed Ali conquered the Sudan, Syria (including the area that is modern-day Israel) and part of Libya.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIn actual history, Egypt under the leadership of Muhammed Ali conquered the Sudan, Syria (including the area that is modern-day Israel) and part of Libya.
But no doubt Lee has some flimsy excuse why this wouldn't count as not being a lowly kingdom, not ruling other nations, and remaining in Pathros.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI can't speak for Lee, but I would argue that thanks to all the various upheavals and conquests in the interim (particularly the Arab conquest), what we now think of as Egypt is basically a different nation entirely from the Egypt of Ezekiel's time, much like how Mexico is a different country than the Aztec Empire. Heck, Muhammed Ali wasn't even Egyptian; he was Albanian.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIn actual history, Egypt under the leadership of Muhammed Ali conquered the Sudan, Syria (including the area that is modern-day Israel) and part of Libya.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Egypt conquered Syria (including what is now Israel) fighting against the Ottoman empire, not as part of it. You have quoted the part of your source that describes what happened after the invasion as if it were how Ali came to rule Egypt before the invasion.
As usual, your claims can be refuted using your own references.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI can't speak for Lee, but I would argue that thanks to all the various upheavals and conquests in the interim (particularly the Arab conquest), what we now think of as Egypt is basically a different nation entirely from the Egypt of Ezekiel's time, much like how Mexico is a different country than the Aztec Empire.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAli may have been initially part of the Ottoman empire, but he didn't remain so. From your own source (which you apparently didn't read):
Egypt conquered Syria (including what is now Israel) fighting against the Ottoman empire, not as part of it.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostIs there any nation in existence at the time about which the statement would not have been true?
"Your gates will be open continually;
They will not be closed day or night,
So that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations,
With their kings led in procession.
For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish,
And the nations will be utterly ruined." (Isaiah 60:11-12)
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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