Romney on Trump

[carpedm9587]

Your unyielding blind loyalty to the Democratic party is duly noted.

Your content-free repost is duly noted.

[carpedm9587]

No, because he defends them at every turn, and always manages to find corruption and dishonor among the Republicans. Both parties are corrupt and misguided.

No - I have criticized both parties, and found things I agree with in both parties. It is why I am a member of neither. You apparently have cherry-picked from my posts. Why you do that - I have no clue.

[Mountain Man]

There's the official party platform, and then there's what the individual politicians believe. For instance, the official stance on impeachment, according to Nancy Pelosi, is that they're not going to consider it or even talk about it unless there is clear evidence of a crime. Meanwhile, there are members of the House already yelling, "We're going to impeach the blankety-blank!" and filing the necessary motions.

So when someone says that they agree with the Democrat party, what do they actually agree with? The lip-service party platform, or what the Democrats actually fight for in Congress?

[carpedm9587]

There's the official party platform, and then there's what the individual politicians believe. For instance, the official stance on impeachment, according to Nancy Pelosi, is that they're not going to consider it or even talk about it unless there is clear evidence of a crime. Meanwhile, there are members of the House already yelling, "We're going to impeach the blankety-blank!" and filing the necessary motions.

So when someone says that they agree with the Democrat party, what do they actually agree with? The lip-service party platform, or what the Democrats actually fight for in Congress?

I have never seen a party march in lock-step, MM. That is certainly true of Democrats and Republicans. I doubt anyone can "agree with party X," for exactly that reason. A party platform is a compromise with elements from across the party. I doubt any member of any party agrees with 100% of any platform.

And I've been thinking of CP's comment about my relationship with the two parties. When I wander through the Republican platform, I find I agree with about 40% of the "what," and very little of the "how." When I wander through the Democratic platform, I find I agree with most of the "what," and about half of the "how." There is little doubt I lean strongly left on social issues, and more to the right on fiscal issues. A significant amount of our discussion here tends to be about social issues. And I have been very vocal about wanting the Dems to take the house in 2018. These may be the reasons for CP's impression of my allegiance with the Democrats.

[rogue06]

That is simply a gift to you to allow you to grumble.

Grumble? Grumble you say? Nay, good sir. It is something that I point and laugh at as should everyone when a self-appointed grammar/spelling Nazi gets hoisted by their own petard.

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[Starlight]

Trump can't keep his own lies straight from one hour to the next or sometimes even one sentence to the next.

One thing the Republican party used to be really good at was having their advisers concoct their weekly set of agreed-upon lies and distributing those to all Republican politicians who would then all head into interviews and spout them over and over. That was a really powerful propaganda weapon because it reinforced the lies in the minds of the populace to hear them repeated by multiple different people on multiple outlets. The Democrats suck at messaging by comparison and have typically relied on just having good policies and hoping the voters can see the difference. Under Trump though, the coordination of Republican lies has been blown away, as Trump can't even keep his own lies straight, never-mind follow a weekly script someone hands him.

[carpedm9587]

Trump can't keep his own lies straight from one hour to the next or sometimes even one sentence to the next.

One thing the Republican party used to be really good at was having their advisers concoct their weekly set of agreed-upon lies and distributing those to all Republican politicians who would then all head into interviews and spout them over and over. That was a really powerful propaganda weapon because it reinforced the lies in the minds of the populace to hear them repeated by multiple different people on multiple outlets. The Democrats suck at messaging by comparison and have typically relied on just having good policies and hoping the voters can see the difference. Under Trump though, the coordination of Republican lies has been blown away, as Trump can't even keep his own lies straight, never-mind follow a weekly script someone hands him.

Therein lies the problem. He wouldn't read the bloody thing anyway...

[Cow Poke]

Your content-free repost is duly noted.

The cockles of my heart are hereby warmed.

[Cow Poke]

And I've been thinking of CP's comment about my relationship with the two parties. When I wander through the Republican platform, I find I agree with about 40% of the "what," and very little of the "how." When I wander through the Democratic platform, I find I agree with most of the "what," and about half of the "how." There is little doubt I lean strongly left on social issues, and more to the right on fiscal issues. A significant amount of our discussion here tends to be about social issues. And I have been very vocal about wanting the Dems to take the house in 2018. These may be the reasons for CP's impression of my allegiance with the Democrats.

Well, that, and the fact that you seem to endlessly find fault with anything conservative or Republican, and glom onto anything progressive or Democratic. If you are not pretending to be "fair and balanced", and are ready to admit you're a partisan hack (though you can rephrase that to something more palatable) then I'll admit I have no grievance with you simply being a leftist.

[Cow Poke]

Grumble? Grumble you say? Nay, good sir. It is something that I point and laugh at as should everyone when a self-appointed grammar/spelling Nazi gets hoisted by their own petard.

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Then I am happy to have provided you with the entertainment.

[Cow Poke]

There's the official party platform, and then there's what the individual politicians believe. For instance, the official stance on impeachment, according to Nancy Pelosi, is that they're not going to consider it or even talk about it unless there is clear evidence of a crime. Meanwhile, there are members of the House already yelling, "We're going to impeach the blankety-blank!" and filing the necessary motions.

So when someone says that they agree with the Democrat party, what do they actually agree with? The lip-service party platform, or what the Democrats actually fight for in Congress?

We owe a debt of gratitude to the "yellers" and the "all about MEers" for making Pelosi's reentry into the speakership more about their chaos than about her.

[JimL]

Well, that, and the fact that you seem to endlessly find fault with anything conservative or Republican, and glom onto anything progressive or Democratic. If you are not pretending to be "fair and balanced", and are ready to admit you're a partisan hack (though you can rephrase that to something more palatable) then I'll admit I have no grievance with you simply being a leftist.

Where is that irony meter when you need it.

[Cow Poke]

Where is that irony meter when you need it.

You keep blowing them all up.

And I have never EVER put myself out there as non-partisan. I am a conservative and proud of it. YOU, on the other hand....

[carpedm9587]

The cockles of my heart are hereby warmed.

Your heart has cockles? I'd head for the doctor fast!

[carpedm9587]

Well, that, and the fact that you seem to endlessly find fault with anything conservative or Republican, and glom onto anything progressive or Democratic.

Again, you seem to be cherry-picking my posts to reach this conclusion.

If you are not pretending to be "fair and balanced", and are ready to admit you're a partisan hack (though you can rephrase that to something more palatable) then I'll admit I have no grievance with you simply being a leftist.

I don't know where I ever claimed I was "fair and balanced." Everyone has a political stance, and I am no different. As I've noted many times, I lean (strongly) left socially, and more right fiscally. I don't need to "admit" anything. Much as I like you, CP, whether or not you think I am a "partisan hack" is a subject of indifference to me. Think what you will. It really doesn't change who and what I actually am one iota.