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“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd you repeat another lie that you've been corrected on, that the policy of separating children from their parents at the border was inhumane and arbitrary when the truth is that it was only the parents of children who entered illegally who had their children removed ...
This has been cited here before, so you have no excuse for repeating the Trump-apologist lie.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes. "America right now works for the rich and powerful. We need to call that out for what it is: corruption, pure and simple". Elizabeth Warren.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostYour 'truth' is the lie. Children have been taken from parents entering legally.
This has been cited here before, so you have no excuse for repeating the Trump-apologist lie.
False. That policy was in place long before Trump and was infamously enforced by the Obama administration when children were literally put in cages (the mainstream media was, of course, studiously disinterested in this story in 2014).
At any rate, if I had argued that the system is flawless and that mistakes never happen then you might have a point. I didn't, and you don't. In Ms. L's case, we don't know what compelled immigration officials to question her claims of parentage, so it's impossible to say anything for or against that particular scenario.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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[Attempt to avoid the issue deleted]Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn Ms. L's case, we don't know what compelled immigration officials to question her claims of parentage, so it's impossible to say anything for or against that particular scenario.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI am quite comfortable identifying as both Christian and conservative. Trump is not my standard-bearer (and is not particularly conservative, in any case). He does some things which align with conservative principles, which I like. He does some things which markedly fail to align with Christian principles, which I don't like.
Unfortunately, the other significant party does no things whatsoever which align with conservative principles, and also does things which markedly fail to align with Christian principles.
We have said over and over that most of us don't like Trump as a person. He doesn't make a good Christian or even a good person most of the time. But when compared with our other choice, Hillary, he is way better as a person AND as a President. Trump isn't our pope. He is our President.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post^^That.
We have said over and over that most of us don't like Trump as a person. He doesn't make a good Christian or even a good person most of the time. But when compared with our other choice, Hillary, he is way better as a person AND as a President. Trump isn't our pope. He is our President.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View Post[Attempt to avoid the issue deleted]It's possible to say that at least one legal immigrant and was separated from their child...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAgain, we really don't know anything about this case, so it's impossible to say one way or another. If you could provide more details then we might have something to discuss.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's possible to say that at least one legal immigrant and was separated from their child...
But you won't retract your false claim.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI just read this interesting opinion piece by Matt Lewis who identifies as a (very flawed) Christian and a (somewhat conflicted) conservative. This identification is a little more detailed than the one given in the headline which reads: “I’m a Christian and a Conservative. Trump is Making it Terribly Hard To Be Both.”
He details how his political and religious views come increasingly at odds under Trump:
“Trump’s fundamental character deficiencies are part of the problem. We all fall short, but Christians aspire to bring about the fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control). These virtues aren’t just out of step in today’s society—they are utterly countercultural in Trump’s Republican Party.
Unlike Ronald Reagan’s sunny optimism, rooted in faith in America’s future, Trump motivates via fear. His worldview is rooted in a scarcity mentality that says someone else is stealing your share of the pie. This carnal mindset clashes with a faith that calls us to gladly give to others (I’m speaking here about personal charity, not redistribution via the tax code)—and trusts in God to provide for our daily needs.”
He sees it from both sides when he says that: “[...] many otherwise decent conservatives entered into this devil’s bargain in 2016—and may do so again in 2020.” but also goes on to say that: “Unfortunately, my Christian conservative friends don’t really have anywhere else to go.”
Of course the question of abortion is central and he goes on to point out: “As someone who believes protection of the vulnerable extends to the lives of the unborn, switching teams is not an option for me.” Towards the end he goes on to point out that: “Meanwhile, I’m focused on how to align my values and my politics, and that means prioritizing my values—rather than reverse-engineering them to fit my politics.“
https://www.thedailybeast.com/im-a-c...oth?ref=scrollThat's what
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOn the face of it, we know enough to say that one person who had legally applied for asylum was separated from her child on the suspicion that it was not hers. That appears to be sufficient to make your claim untrue. You could argue that it was an exceptional case.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike I said, if I had made the claim that the system was perfect and error free then Ignorant Roy would have a point. But I didn't, so he doesn't.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostRoy showed that your claim was false...
Obviously the child was removed only because it was perceived that the woman's entry was illegal in some fashion (in this case, it seems they questioned the legitimacy of her claim to be the child's parent), . But mistakes happen. I never claimed they didn't. And that's the point: this was apparently a mistake rather than a matter of policy to separate children and parents who entered legally.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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