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    Cardinal Blames Homosexuality For Church Crisis...

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    Homosexuality is to blame for sexual abuse, not Catholic church, claims German cardinal

    German cardinal on Friday provoked anger and controversy when he claimed the Catholic church was not responsible for sexual abuse by its clerics, and instead sought to pin the blame on homosexuality.

    “What has happened in the church is no different from what is happening in society as a whole,” Cardinal Walter Brandmüller said. “The real scandal is that the Catholic church hasn’t distinguished itself from the rest of society.”

    A study commissioned by the German Bishops Conference and published last year found that more than 3,600 children were sexually abused by Catholic clergy in Germany between 1946 and 2014.

    But Cardinal Brandmüller claimed that only a “vanishingly small number” of clergy had committed abuses. He said the real problem was homosexuality and claimed it is “statistically proven” that there is a link between homosexuality and abuse.

    Society “forgets or covers up the fact that 80 per cent of cases of sexual assault in the church involved male youths not children,” he told Germany’s DPA news agency in an interview a few days ahead of his 90th birthday.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...church-claims/
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
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    Excuses, excuses. If the Catholic church hasn't distinguished itself from sexual abuse in society, which itself is nothing new, then the catholic church is to blame, not society. The catholic church has been covering up for the offenders for ages.

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    The role of homosexuality is irrelevant here; what is relevant is that the the Catholic church shuffled abusive clergy around and even, in the case of Pope Francis, defamed accusers without evidence (and even in the case of a Mexican archbishop, threatened would-be accusers). So any attempt to absolve the RCC from blame is doomed to fail. This Cardinal appears unwilling to even consider that both can be to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    So any attempt to absolve the RCC from blame is doomed to fail. This Cardinal appears unwilling to even consider that both can be to blame.
    His statement was that the scandal was the church not distinguishing itself from society. This seems to be putting blame on society for going in this direction and on the church for not deviating from that trend.

    His overall point, though poorly expressed, seems to be the fact that all this attention is paid to the church abuse scandals while other areas of society skate by, a point I'm actually in agreement with. While it's hard to gather evidence for Protestant churches due to their lack of a central authority, this data certainly indicates it's a real problem there as well. I've rarely seen this reported on. And on the secular side, a survey of 8th to 11th graders had nearly 7% report physical sexual abuse from adults at school (the number jumps to almost 10% if we're counting non-physical sexual abuse). Public school abuse at least gets a little airplay, but generally only in terms of news of one case and then forgetting about it, rather than an examination of the larger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    His overall point, though poorly expressed, seems to be the fact that all this attention is paid to the church abuse scandals while other areas of society skate by, a point I'm actually in agreement with. While it's hard to gather evidence for Protestant churches due to their lack of a central authority, this data certainly indicates it's a real problem there as well. I've rarely seen this reported on. And on the secular side, a survey of 8th to 11th graders had nearly 7% report physical sexual abuse from adults at school (the number jumps to almost 10% if we're counting non-physical sexual abuse). Public school abuse at least gets a little airplay, but generally only in terms of news of one case and then forgetting about it, rather than an examination of the larger picture.
    I agree with this. In any setting where adults are in charge of children, there will be abuse and sexual assault. The fact that there's a lack of overarching authority in Protestant churches makes it harder to push for rules beyond the level of a single congregation, and more focus should be put on schools, particularly in after-school activities with teacher control. But it is disappointing that the power structure of the Catholic church meant that they could have done something sooner, and chose not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    German cardinal on Friday provoked anger and controversy when he claimed the Catholic church was not responsible for sexual abuse by its clerics, and instead sought to pin the blame on homosexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    His statement was that the scandal was the church not distinguishing itself from society. This seems to be putting blame on society for going in this direction and on the church for not deviating from that trend.
    This is about sexual abuse of kids, what do you mean by society going in this direction, and how does that have anything to do with the catholic church??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    His statement was that the scandal was the church not distinguishing itself from society.
    But the church is distinguishing itself from society, both by its high incidence of abuse and by its choice to relocate offenders rather than expel them.
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