Originally posted by lee_merrill
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TheLurch's arguments are only valid if you are trying to claim who the designer is. That's why you would need to know the capabilities of the designer.
shunyadragon is using the word "natural" to mean "non-supernatural", when in reality, it means (the definition applicable to the topic), not made by humans.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/natural
1 Existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
1 Existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
Of course, ID says nothing about determining who the designer is, nor whether the intelligence is supernatural or not.
It simply says "we can infer if something is the result of intelligence" (as opposed to non-intelligent natural processes).
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