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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYour kidding, right?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Had Trump instead invested his entire net worth — $3.1 billion per Forbes last year — on $5 sandwiches, each two inches high? A stack of hamburgers nearly 20,000 miles high.
It would require quite a large silver serving platter.
Me thinks this equates to "much ado about nothing."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostTrump explicitly put in place a policy of family separation. Obama (and Bush before him) did not.
Because I find Obama a reasonable human being with some flaws, and I find Trump a vile human being with a couple saving graces.
Already responded to.
My assertions are true if they align with the observable facts - and false if they do not - as with all assertions.
Your perspective is noted.
If the Border Patrol was overwhelmed, and used holding areas as a last resort - there is no fault. If they had alternatives and used holding areas - there is fault. As best I can tell - what happened under Obama was the former - and what happened under Trump was the latter. If you have other facts to offer, by all means cite them.
I have no idea how this is relevant.
I'll take your word for it.
I do.
At this point, I find this discussion has run its course and is now repetitive. I'll leave the last word to you.
I'm sure that will earn me a "dodging" or "handwaving" or some such..."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThere is no doubt that Trump stretches the truth beyond the breaking point. Pretty much like every politician of every party before him."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostDear boys and girls, don't worry. He may stretch the truth beyond the breaking point. But, I tell you, the others did so as well! Don't worry about right or wrong in and of itself. Point to the others and go forwards.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostLocking kids into cages is okay, as long as it’s a Democrat doing it and it’s only temporary. Got it, you’ll excuse away anything a liberal does and claim to be unbiased. Okay, whatever makes you feel better.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean it’s not reluctant that nobody cared what happened under Obama’s watch, until they had no choice but to talk about?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIt’s quite relevant in this topic because it shows media biasness well at work. Everything under Obama is met with a shrug and excuse; everything under Trump is the worst thing ever even when it’s business as usual.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostDo you think PT test are easy?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo. Locking kids in cages is OK if there is no other available alternative to ensure their safety. It is not OK if there is. As best I can tell - the former was the situation under Bush and Obama; the latter was the case under Trump.
Sources, please?
In my experience, then people resort to superlatives, they are already wrong. I have noted several things under Obama that were objectionable, and several things under Trump that I support. So this description is not apt.
I have no thoughts about PT tests one way or the other, nor do I see how that is relevant to the discussion about family separation."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo I can use that excuse when CPS shows up, correct?
I have a 2 year old that I know wanders and climbs. I am on the third floor with many staircases around me, a balcony with a 3 story drop, and an open floor-plan. I have a large dog with a large dog cage. My mother has a heart attack and drops to the floor. If the best way I can keep my child safe is to put her in the dog crate while I take care of my mother - no problem. If I have a bathroom with a door or any other place I can put them, then it IS a problem.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHave you found any sources dating to the Obama presidency yet?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIn my experience, people that take clear exaggerations and try to take them 100% literal truth are simply trying to find excuses to not listen to what was said. You’ve excused away things done under Obama under excuses like, “It’s just temporary!” As though that’s an excuse for child abuse that would be a clear case of child abuse if anyone, but the government under Obama apparently. I’d be wearing an orange jump suit if I did that to kids and yet, who has gone to prision under this clear case of child abuse? It’s quite apt as you try everything you can to excuse away this case before us.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou’re the one that brought up weight, I just pointed out I’m in better health than those 10 years younger.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf CPS is doing their job correctly, they will know the difference. So here's a scenario I would have no problem with:
I have a 2 year old that I know wanders and climbs. I am on the third floor with many staircases around me, a balcony with a 3 story drop, and an open floor-plan. I have a large dog with a large dog cage. My mother has a heart attack and drops to the floor. If the best way I can keep my child safe is to put her in the dog crate while I take care of my mother - no problem. If I have a bathroom with a door or any other place I can put them, then it IS a problem.
Sources for what? And why does that obviate your need to provide a source for a claim you made?
I'll let me previous responses to all of this stand. Repeating them is pointless.
So all of this is because I teased you about eating too much popcorn? Wow - Pix - I didn't know your skin was that thin. I will endeavor to remember that and refrain from any teasing in my posts."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo what danger where these kids in that justified locking them into a cage?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI said there was silence, until these pictures where falsely attributed to Trump and it had to be discussed. You tried to refute it by proving my point a digging up articles from 2018, which proves my point. All you have to do is show the media making a big deal prior to Trump. Can you?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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