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How do people here propose that a wall even be built? The southern border isn't a straight path, and in at least one place the border runs along the middle of a river.
Are you guys comfortable with the idea of the US forcibly buying up a lot of land from private owners, and then effectively* ceding a portion of US soil to Mexico?
*I say effectively since in reality I think the US would just consider the lost soil on the other side of the wall their own still.Last edited by Leonhard; 06-04-2019, 10:17 AM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHow do people here propose that a wall even be built? The southern border isn't a straight path, and in at least one place the border runs along the middle of a river.
Are you guys comfortable with the idea of the US forcibly buying up a lot of land from private owners, and then effectively* ceding a portion of US soil to Mexico?
I'm asking this hypothetically as there isn't any tangible political will to get a wall like that built in the first place. The Democrats don't want it, and the Republicans don't want it. They had the House and Senate, and the President and arguably even the Supreme Court, and it still couldn't get passed.
*I say effectively since in reality I think the US would just consider the lost soil on the other side of the wall their own still.
But the idea is to build the wall where nature is not a natural barrier already.
This site is interesting as to where a wall currently exists, and where the gaps are. Even has video of the border.
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall...ve-border-map/
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLook up "Eminent Domain" as to how they can build it on private land.
Because it seems (to me) that this is pretty much what would happen, if a full coast-to-coast wall is built.
Or do you propose there being several privately controlled gates in the wall?
This site is interesting as to where a wall currently exists, and where the gaps are. Even has video of the border.
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall...ve-border-map/
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThat's pretty much what I meant. You'd be okay with the government deciding what some piece of land is worth and buying it from people? And then for Mexico to pretty much acquire whatever parts of the US happens to land on the other side of the wall?
Because it seems (to me) that this is pretty much what would happen, if a full coast-to-coast wall is built.
Or do you propose there being several privately controlled gates in the wall?
what the usatoday site shows:
ScreenHunter_.jpgLast edited by Sparko; 06-04-2019, 10:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHow do people here propose that a wall even be built? The southern border isn't a straight path, and in at least one place the border runs along the middle of a river.
Are you guys comfortable with the idea of the US forcibly buying up a lot of land from private owners, and then effectively* ceding a portion of US soil to Mexico?
*I say effectively since in reality I think the US would just consider the lost soil on the other side of the wall their own still.
And there is a simple approach that avoids the entire need. Instead of spending billions on an infrastructure that will then need to be maintained, patrolled, and will still need supplementation by detecting systems, focus the money on the patrolling and detection (creating jobs) and the rest of the money on beefing up the immigration court system along the border so that asylum claims can be processed and concluded in a matter of days or a few weeks (again creating jobs). Supplement this with a stronger ability to process asylum claims at U.S. Embassies. Yes - it will require a lot of personnel - at first. But if the number who actually are granted asylum is relatively small, and the rest turned back in a matter of days, the word will go out that getting into the U.S. is an unlikely thing - and fewer will be willing to spend a fortune on Coyotes for a quest with a high probability of failure. As the tide slows, the personnel can be reduced accordingly.
The wall is and always has been a political stunt. It's an optic - designed to appeal to Trump's devoted base. He's not interested in real solutions. He's interested in claiming a win and being able to point to a "big beautiful wall" and crow.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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