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Federal judge strikes down effort to add citizenship question to Census
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostBecause the census sets up the congressional districts and counting non citizens as citizens gives advantages to those boarder states in the house vs non boarder states.
There are already existing problems with non-proportionality within the current system, as the large ratio between the high population of California as compared to the low population of the smallest states means that California is underrepresented in the House due to the limitation of 435 total seats.
Usefully those two effects actually cancel out fairly well - California is the main loser of seats due to state population ratios and the 435 seat limit, and is also the main gainer of seats from immigrants being counted in the population with regard to seat calculation. The net upshot of these two calculation errors is that the actual seat distributions end up reasonably proportional to actual citizen population.
Technically, would it be nice to have perfect proportionality and have neither error occurring? Sure. But it's close enough. And if one is concerned about lack of proportionality within the US government, the Senate is clearly a far bigger issue than House."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt doesn't affect very many seats so isn't a big deal.
There are already existing problems with non-proportionality within the current system, as the large ratio between the high population of California as compared to the low population of the smallest states means that California is underrepresented in the House due to the limitation of 435 total seats.
Usefully those two effects actually cancel out fairly well - California is the main loser of seats due to state population ratios and the 435 seat limit, and is also the main gainer of seats from immigrants being counted in the population with regard to seat calculation. The net upshot of these two calculation errors is that the actual seat distributions end up reasonably proportional to actual citizen population.
Technically, would it be nice to have perfect proportionality and have neither error occurring? Sure. But it's close enough. And if one is concerned about lack of proportionality within the US government, the Senate is clearly a far bigger issue than House."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt doesn't affect very many seats so isn't a big deal..That's what
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt doesn't affect very many seats so isn't a big deal.
Maybe try a different angle?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIf it affects 1, that's too many.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI doubt any immigrants that are here illegally fill out the census anyway, heck, plenty of citizens and legal immigrants don't even answer it.
But the Constitution says nothing about citizenship, but a head count, which included slaves.
At any rate, whether you think it's a big deal or not, Wilbur Ross lied to Congress about it which is a Felony should the House request an FBI investigation. He will be summoned back to Congress.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI doubt any immigrants that are here illegally fill out the census anyway, heck, plenty of citizens and legal immigrants don't even answer it. But the Constitution says nothing about citizenship, but a head count, which included slaves.
At any rate, whether you think it's a big deal or not, Wilbur Ross lied to Congress about it which is a Felony should the House request an FBI investigation. He will be summoned back to Congress.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHere's an analogous argument for you: Prohibiting gay marriage doesn't affect very many people so it isn't a big deal."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostA serious violation of human rights isn't equivalent to a small dis-proportionality in political representation in a system that is already non-proportionate.
One chamber is divided up by population."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostOne chamber is divided up by population."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostNot very accurately though. As I noted previously, this error in accuracy actually seems likely to improve total accuracy as it counteracts another error."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostA serious violation of human rights isn't equivalent to a small dis-proportionality in political representation in a system that is already non-proportionate.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostBut ....
The Census is a crucial document for determining how federal funds are allocated and how congressional districts are drawn for the following 10-year period. It is meant to account for everyone living in the United States, not just US citizens. The citizenship question has not been asked of all recipients since 1950.
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