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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Great, then you can't claim that the SBC was wrong for supporting slavery. Under your values of morality, that they are just relative subjective values that are true for each society, there was nothing wrong with having slaves. You just don't like it now because of your relative values, but that doesn't make what the SBC did wrong, because there is no right and wrong.
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Morality is based upon the social values of the day and scripture has historically been adapted to conform to those values. This was true of the Confederate slavers just as it has the case throughout Judeo/Christian history.
There is NO objective morality and you have not demonstrated otherwise.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat is wrong with letting kids sit in cages on the border Chuck? If morality is just a relative value as Tassman says, then who cares?
During the Industrial Revolution it was accepted and commonplace for children to work long hours in dangerous factory conditions. Something that would not be tolerated in the developed world today. And it is equally intolerable for children to be locked in cages on the border in today’s world.
Where is the objective moral code that justifies Trump, whom Evangelicals support, in doing this?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo. YOU can’t say that the SBC was wrong for supporting slavery.
And what percent of the large number of blacks who were in the SBC do you think supported slavery?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo. YOU can’t say that the SBC was wrong for supporting slavery. Because many slavers justified slave ownership and subsequent segregationist Jim Crow Laws, by appealing to the Word of God, i.e. your source of eternally objective morality, e.g. Titus 2. 9-10.
And I'm sure it is just a coincidence that virtually every supporter of slavery was a Democrat. That should come as no surprise since the party that founded the Ku Klux Klan is still working hard today to keep blacks on their plantation.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostCan you please post a link to any document where the SBC officially came out in support of slavery?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe SBC wouldn’t exist except for slavery.
There was sufficient support for slave ownership to enable the creation of the Southern Baptist Convention. It couldn’t have happened without the approval of the majority.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo. YOU can’t say that the SBC was wrong for supporting slavery. Because many slavers justified slave ownership and subsequent segregationist Jim Crow Laws, by appealing to the Word of God, i.e. your source of eternally objective morality, e.g. Titus 2. 9-10.
Morality is based upon the social values of the day and scripture has historically been adapted to conform to those values. This was true of the Confederate slavers just as it has the case throughout Judeo/Christian history.
There is NO objective morality and you have not demonstrated otherwise.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf something is objectively true then it doesn't matter what your excuse is, it means it is absolutely true for everyone, everywhere at all times. Like the world being round. That is objectively true. Even when everyone believed it was flat. Even before there were people. And it will be true even if everyone were to die.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostComprehension, Sparko, comprehension. That's what I said, but being objectively true doesn't mean that they are absolute objective realities such as divine laws. the moral against rape being in the best interests of human society can be objectively true without being divine law. Just like having a speed limit on the highway needn't be divine law in order to be objectively in our collective best interests.
Stop smoking the wacky weed Jimmy.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo objective doesn't mean objective? Got it.
Stop smoking the wacky weed Jimmy.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf morals are subjective, then there is nothing wrong with slavery as long as that society thinks there is nothing wrong with it."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostCorrect. And if people get the idea that their God given objective standards allow for slavery, then they fail to see that there is something wrong with that as well.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf morals are objective and slavery is wrong, then they would be wrong. But under Tassman's theory of morality, they would be right.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe SBC wouldn't exist if the northern churches hadn't precluded the southern churches from sending missionaries due to the fact that the missionaries had owned slaves,“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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