So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Tassman]

Laws are based on social values Tassman. They are for the most part, legislating moral codes and values.

And here you are showing that you don't agree with the law.

Do you agree with the R v W Law? I do.

You agree with "abortion on demand"

[Sparko]

You disagree with the law Tassy, so you are not following your societies morals. Many people do this. Which shows that society doesn't set the morals. Otherwise people living in that society would agree with them. You wouldn't have half of the society claiming that abortion was immoral. Morals are not set by society. Morals exist separate from society and societies adopt various morals, sometimes getting it right, sometimes getting it wrong. Because there IS an objective right and wrong. And you believe in it too, even if you pretend not to.

[One Bad Pig]

Do you agree with the R v W Law? I do.

Roe v. Wade is an interpretation of law, not a law itself.

[JimL]

You disagree with the law Tassy, so you are not following your societies morals. Many people do this. Which shows that society doesn't set the morals. Otherwise people living in that society would agree with them. You wouldn't have half of the society claiming that abortion was immoral. Morals are not set by society. Morals exist separate from society and societies adopt various morals, sometimes getting it right, sometimes getting it wrong. Because there IS an objective right and wrong. And you believe in it too, even if you pretend not to.

You're contradicting yourself, Sparko. If societies adopt certain morals, then those morals are set by society. They may be either the right way or the wrong way to go in the interests of that society, but that doesn't mean that the right way, the moral thing to do, has some objective reality in its own right.

[Sparko]

You're contradicting yourself, Sparko. If societies adopt certain morals, then those morals are set by society.

No dumbass. they have to exist before they can be adopted.

[JimL]

No dumbass. they have to exist before they can be adopted.

No they don't, not in reality. You can make up any moral rule you want, that doesn't mean it has to have some actual existence in its own right.

[Sparko]

No they don't, not in reality. You can make up any moral rule you want, that doesn't mean it has to have some actual existence in its own right.

in order to ADOPT something it has to exist already, dummy.

[Cow Poke]

in order to ADOPT something it has to exist already, dummy.

Bless his heart.

[Sparko]

Bless his heart.

Sometimes I think English is a second language to JimL.

[Cow Poke]

Sometimes I think English is a second language to JimL.

Sometimes I think 'thinking' is a foreign concept to JimL.

[Tassman]

You disagree with the law Tassy, so you are not following your societies morals. Many people do this. Which shows that society doesn't set the morals.

Of course, society where else would they come from?

Otherwise people living in that society would agree with them. You wouldn't have half of the society claiming that abortion was immoral. Morals are not set by society.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/majorit...ws-poll-finds/

Morals exist separate from society and societies adopt various morals, sometimes getting it right, sometimes getting it wrong. Because there IS an objective right and wrong. And you believe in it too, even if you pretend not to.

Morals do NOT , they reflect the social values of society and are legislated accordingly.

[JimL]

in order to ADOPT something it has to exist already, dummy.

Well, semantically speaking, if that's the way you want to use the term. But that's just the way you choose to use the term because you believe that morals have objective existence. A subjective idea has existence in that sense, and you can adopt a subjective idea to live by, but that doesn't mean that the subjective idea has any real existence in its own right.

[Sparko]

Of course, society https://www.cbsnews.com/news/majorit...ws-poll-finds/



Morals do NOT , they reflect the social values of society and are legislated accordingly.

So if Australia decided to outlaw abortion, then you would then agree that abortions are immoral?

[Sparko]

Well, semantically speaking, if that's the way you want to use the term. But that's just the way you choose to use the term because you believe that morals have objective existence. A subjective idea has existence in that sense, and you can adopt a subjective idea to live by, but that doesn't mean that the subjective idea has any real existence in its own right.

Is that your objective opinion?

[Tassman]

So if Australia decided to outlaw abortion, then you would then agree that abortions are immoral?

This is an invalid hypothetical, because it does not reflect the social values of society. The majority of people in Australia do not think that first trimester abortion is immoral. The same applies in the US.