So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[seer]

Interesting since both my grandmothers were pretty devout in their faith and didn’t have the ‘submissive’ attitude you describe. It’s almost as if you’re trying to pretend some Christians that do practice that are a rep for all Christians.

Right I grew up in a devout Catholic home and neighborhood - we had a saying - the man is the head, but the woman is the neck.

[Cow Poke]

So, the best example of toxic masculinity is that some of us guys like to be nice to women?

What has the world come to?

[Sparko]

So, the best example of toxic masculinity is that some of us guys like to be nice to women?

What has the world come to?

And at the same time we are accused of being too nice to women, Tassy is accusing us of being too mean to them and enslaving them!

He needs to make up his mind.

[Cow Poke]

And at the same time we are accused of being too nice to women, Tassy is accusing us of being too mean to them and enslaving them!

He needs to make up his mind.

Well, I'm glad he finally backed down from his claim that he treats his wife no differently than he treats other people. That was about to be his Michael Dukakis moment.

[Mountain Man]

When things go bump in the night, my wife ALWAYS submits to me and allows me to go investigate. Same when there's a snake or scorpion.

When my son was still a baby, our cat thought he needed to learn how to hunt, so the stupid thing found a nest of bunnies somewhere and kept bringing them into my son's room and setting them loose. Guess who was responsible for capturing the bunnies and releasing them outside? It happened at least three times as far as I can remember.

[Mountain Man]

Right I grew up in a devout Catholic home and neighborhood - we had a saying - the man is the head, but the woman is the neck.

Or "Behind every successful man is a strong woman to support him."

[Cow Poke]

Or "Behind every successful man is a strong woman to support him."

And behind every unsuccessful man is a strong woman saying "I knew he was a bum!"

[Mountain Man]

And behind every unsuccessful man is a strong woman saying "I knew he was a bum!"

"Persistent nagging is the background noise of every successful marriage."
-Marge Simpson

[Sparko]

"Persistent nagging is the background noise of every successful marriage."
-Marge Simpson

"Never underestimate the power of a rolling pin."
-mossrose

[lilpixieofterror]

I never said that it should be one way. I'm simply countering Tass' notion that "submission" can only happen in the form of groveling subservience. A wife who asks her husband, "Is it OK if I buy a new laptop?" is showing submission. A husband who says, "Certainly. Let's work out a budget to make it happen," is showing love and respect.

Tazzy is just being his nonsensical self where he lets his anger and hatred of Christians control him. Few families are anything like the Duggers. It makes the Tazzy’s of the world excited though because it confirms what he wants to believe, but it is a TV show so...

[lilpixieofterror]

When things go bump in the night, my wife ALWAYS submits to me and allows me to go investigate. Same when there's a snake or scorpion.

I lived by myself for 7 years before we were married, so even now it’s still something I don’t ask and just so something about it.

[lilpixieofterror]

Right I grew up in a devout Catholic home and neighborhood - we had a saying - the man is the head, but the woman is the neck.

That’s mainly because the man would forget his head if it wasn’t for his wife to remind him to grab it before he leaves.

[Mountain Man]

That’s mainly because the man would forget his head if it wasn’t for his wife to remind him to grab it before he leaves.

It's funny how so many of us dumb guys are able to convince smart women to marry us.

[lilpixieofterror]

It's funny how so many of us dumb guys are able to convince smart women to marry us.

Somebody has to mow the lawn, de-ice the cars, and fish wires through the attic.

[Tassman]

And has your wife ever sought your permission to make a purchase? Or informed you that she's going out with friends for the evening? Because that's an act of submission and is exactly the sort of thing Paul is talking about.

Both sides make decisions, keeping each other informed and obtaining permission, one of the other equally. It’s a partnership, not “submission” on either side. The days of Patriarchy with the male controlling the purse-strings and making all the decisions are long-gone in Western society. Or should be.

Or does she just do whatever, and you're sitting at home wondering where she's off to and why your bank account is empty?

This sounds like a failing marriage or a failing relationship to me.