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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So you think it is OK for muslims to kill gays? wow. What about muslims blowing up people with bombs or running them down with trucks? That's OK too, right, because their morals say it is so.
    I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.

    Your idea of morality is nothing more than local laws Tassy.
    So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.

    What happens if you disagree with a law, Tassman?
    You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.

    What happens if they revoke Roe v Wade, for instance and it is then illegal to have an abortion? Does that mean that it is now immoral to have an abortion because our society says it is? Does that mean your morals will change too?
    They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

    https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.



    So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.



    You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.



    They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

    https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
    Six questions and you can only answer one. The only one that doesn't require you either change your position, or accept that you have no basis to critique other moral views. All the others you dodged.

    No surprise. I pity you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Six questions and you can only answer one. The only one that doesn't require you either change your position, or accept that you have no basis to critique other moral views. All the others you dodged.
    You have entirely missed the point. There IS no basis to "critique other moral views" other than we don’t, as a community, agree with them. Morality has evolved over the millennia, including so-called absolute moral values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    You have entirely missed the point. There IS no basis to "critique other moral views" other than we don’t, as a community, agree with them. Morality has evolved over the millennia, including so-called absolute moral values.
    That load of nonsense has been thoroughly shown incoherent in the thread. Still can't answer the questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    That load of nonsense has been thoroughly shown incoherent in the thread. .
    Nope, it hasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.



    So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.



    You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.



    They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

    https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
    So Tassman, do your morals flow with the law? If abortions are illegal where you are, do you then consider abortions immoral? No, you don't.

    You have Phuket, Thailand as your part time location in your profile. Abortion except in the case of rape or the health of the mother is illegal in Thailand. The same in Sydney, with some additional parameters like "economic factors" . Yet you have been arguing for abortion to be a right for any reason up to when a fetus has "a brain" - You are at odds with your own societies. Yet you claim that morals are set by the society. By your own definition, your views on abortion are immoral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    you claim that morals are set by the society. .
    That's only 1 Tassman 4:6, please take the full statement into account, in context:

    7 when I like them and particularly if they make Christianity look bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So Tassman, do your morals flow with the law? If abortions are illegal where you are, do you then consider abortions immoral? No, you don't.

    You have Phuket, Thailand as your part time location in your profile. Abortion except in the case of rape or the health of the mother is
    In Thailand “Women have been effectively free to end unwanted pregnancies for about a decade under a little-advertised legal amendment”.

    http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2...l-may-thought/

    The same in Sydney, with some additional parameters like "economic factors" . Yet you have been arguing for abortion to be a right for any reason up to when a fetus has "a brain"
    Not at all.

    “The circumstances in which an abortion is lawful were
    expanded in 1971 by a decision of the NSW District
    Court [Sydney] in which Justice Levine said that an abortion was
    not unlawful if a doctor honestly believed on reasonable
    grounds that “the operation was necessary to preserve
    the woman involved from serious danger to her life
    or physical or mental health which the continuance of
    pregnancy would entail” (R v Wald [1971])”.

    https://www.fpnsw.org.au/sites/defau...bortion_fs.pdf

    In practice this means abortion on demand. But, as in the most of the Western world, the vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester.

    - You are at odds with your own societies. Yet you claim that morals are set by the society. By your own definition, your views on abortion are immoral.
    Well I'm not actually. But regardless, my argument is NOT that we are permanently bound by the laws of society, this would imply that they are ‘absolute’ and my argument is that moral values are NOT absolute. Social values are fluid and constantly evolving. If one feels then to be wrong then one advocates for change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    That's only 1 Tassman 4:6, please take the full statement into account, in context:

    7 when I like them and particularly if they make Christianity look bad.
    Crass cynicism does not suit you, tabibito.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    In Thailand “Women have been effectively free to end unwanted pregnancies for about a decade under a little-advertised legal amendment”.

    http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2...l-may-thought/



    Not at all.

    “The circumstances in which an abortion is lawful were
    expanded in 1971 by a decision of the NSW District
    Court [Sydney] in which Justice Levine said that an abortion was
    not unlawful if a doctor honestly believed on reasonable
    grounds that “the operation was necessary to preserve
    the woman involved from serious danger to her life
    or physical or mental health which the continuance of
    pregnancy would entail” (R v Wald [1971])”.

    https://www.fpnsw.org.au/sites/defau...bortion_fs.pdf

    In practice this means abortion on demand. But, as in the most of the Western world, the vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester.



    Well I'm not actually. But regardless, my argument is NOT that we are permanently bound by the laws of society, this would imply that they are ‘absolute’ and my argument is that moral values are NOT absolute. Social values are fluid and constantly evolving. If one feels then to be wrong then one advocates for change.

    Laws are based on social values Tassman. They are for the most part, legislating moral codes and values. And here you are showing that you don't agree with the law. You agree with "abortion on demand" even if it takes creating some loopholes in the law like the Doctor twisting the definition of health of the mother to mean "just wants an abortion"

    again you argue for your own morality, and not that of your society which is codified by law. You can't keep your story straight.

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