So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Starlight]

in this particular case that "Nobody is saying masculinity in and of itself is toxic. That's silly."

Your willful misinterpretations of my words get tiresome. Obviously I was talking about the current popular concern about the toxic parts of some ideas of masculinity which have been in the headlines lately, and what the liberals who are concerned with it in general believe.

I was not saying "nobody ever, not even the most radical people in the 60s, ever said the words X". That's an implausible reading of my words, not least because I can't possibly know what everyone in the world ever said prior to when I was born. Your attempt to move the conversation from being about the modern discussion that liberals are having in current society on the subject, to try to be about some historical extremists as if those were the same thing reflects your usual inability to be honest. It's pathetic.

If you want to discuss your misquotes from historical extremist novels, go for it in a new thread. I am not interested in discussing that.

[Starlight]

You know the left doesn't care about facts they only care about what ever they can use to continue their bigoted false narrative that all christian white males are toxic

Go repost that in the screwball thread and save me the effort. You're a real nut job.

[Catholicity]

If I enjoy things like Hellboy or Go Nagai does that make me toxic? What about Mad Max? What is this toxin anyway?

Okay, if you really want to know, Toxic masculinity is telling boys not to cry when they get hurt, to suck it up, encouraging them to fight, egging on bullies. Not being aware of kid's feelings Not teaching them to be empathic to other's positions. Teaching them that no doesn't mean no, teaching them to abuse power, That's toxic masculinity. Yes its a problem.

[Cow Poke]

Okay, if you really want to know, Toxic masculinity is telling boys not to cry when they get hurt, to suck it up, encouraging them to fight,

I think you're a little carried away here.... Boys need dads to toughen them up and moms to nurture them - it's a balance. Look at Paul's instructions to Timothy - or God's instructions to Joshua.

egging on bullies. Not being aware of kid's feelings Not teaching them to be empathic to other's positions. Teaching them that no doesn't mean no, teaching them to abuse power, That's toxic masculinity. Yes its a problem.

I hope you aren't thinking that this part is "the norm" for men, as opposed to the exception.

[Cow Poke]

Hey, TheWall....

Nick does a great job of addressing this here (Is toxic masculinity a problem?).

[Mountain Man]

Okay, if you really want to know, Toxic masculinity is telling boys not to cry when they get hurt, to suck it up, encouraging them to fight, egging on bullies. Not being aware of kid's feelings Not teaching them to be empathic to other's positions. Teaching them that no doesn't mean no, teaching them to abuse power, That's toxic masculinity. Yes its a problem.

Why not just call it bad behavior instead of using a term designed to impugn all men? I don't act that way, and I don't personally know anybody who acts that way. How would you feel if we labeled gossiping, backbiting, henpecking their mates, spending too much on clothes, wearing short skirts and tight blouses, and other female stereotypes as "toxic feminity"? Would you be ok with that?

[lilpixieofterror]

Least Masculine Society In Human History Decides Masculinity Is A Growing Threat

U.S.—As society becomes increasingly dominated by nerds, hipsters, and computer programmers, people have fixated on what they think is our biggest problem: masculinity.

“It’s just toxic and causes nothing but problems,” said Elisha Mcewen, a vegan activist and no threat whatsoever to spiders or tight jar lids. “I was sharing my feelings on masculinity with other men in my drum circle, and we all agreed that if we ever encountered masculinity, we would run far away.”

Masculinity is said to have in the past been the cause of such things as violence, war, bullying, defeating the Nazis, carving society out of untamed wilderness, and landing men on the moon, but now masculinity is being driven out of society to make sure nothing like those things ever happens again. However, there are reports that masculinity still lurks out there, which is a source of anxiety to modern men and causes them to have upset tummies.

“I am just so worried that somewhere out there someone is still knowingly producing testosterone,” said Wyatt Lockhart, a Twitch streamer who had never thrown a punch outside of a video game. “I constantly have to find a safe place to calm down just thinking about it.”

Duke Miller, a Marine sergeant and one of the few remaining examples of traditional masculinity, was asked about his feelings on the negative view of masculinity, but he seemed confused by the word “feelings” and then punched out an elk just because.
https://babylonbee.com/news/least-ma...growing-threat

[Tassman]

I think you're a little carried away here.... Boys need dads to toughen them up and moms to nurture them

Why just boys, don’t girls require “toughening up”? And why is it just “dads” that do this? Don’t dads “nurture” their children as well as mums? Why these stereotypical assignations of roles? This is exactly what Catholicity is talking about?

I hope you aren't thinking that this part is "the norm" for men, as opposed to the exception.

The “me too" movement tells us that this is the norm for men, sadly, just as Trump’s Access Hollywood tape does.

[Cow Poke]

Why just boys, don’t girls require “toughening up”? And why is it just “dads” that do this? Don’t dads “nurture” their children as well as mums? Why these stereotypical assignations of roles? This is exactly what Catholicity is talking about?

Nick does a great job of addressing this here (Is toxic masculinity a problem?).

The “me too" movement tells us that this is the norm for men, sadly, just as Trump’s Access Hollywood tape does.

Got any actual data to support this outright lie, Tassy?

By the way, the "Me too" movement appears to be doing you a great service....

According to a survey in the latest Economist magazine, the effect of the #MeToo movement has been to elevate Americans’ skepticism over sympathy for victims. Among other findings, the survey notes that between November 2017 and September 2018, while the perception that false allegations of sexual assault are a greater problem than unreported or unpunished sexual assault remains a minority, it nevertheless rose among both men and women in all categories surveyed — even among Hillary Clinton supporters. The poll, conducted by YouGov, found that “18 per cent of Americans now think that false accusations of sexual assault are a bigger problem than attacks that go unreported or unpunished, compared with 13 per cent in November last year,” the Economist reports.

Good job!!!!

[Mountain Man]

By the way, the "Me too" movement appears to be doing you a great service....

According to a survey in the latest Economist magazine, the effect of the #MeToo movement has been to elevate Americans’ skepticism over sympathy for victims. Among other findings, the survey notes that between November 2017 and September 2018, while the perception that false allegations of sexual assault are a greater problem than unreported or unpunished sexual assault remains a minority, it nevertheless rose among both men and women in all categories surveyed — even among Hillary Clinton supporters. The poll, conducted by YouGov, found that “18 per cent of Americans now think that false accusations of sexual assault are a bigger problem than attacks that go unreported or unpunished, compared with 13 per cent in November last year,” the Economist reports.

Good job!!!!

The blatant lies that liberals pushed about Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh certainly didn't do the movement any favors.

[KingsGambit]

How would you feel if we labeled gossiping, backbiting, henpecking their mates, spending too much on clothes, wearing short skirts and tight blouses, and other female stereotypes as "toxic feminity"? Would you be ok with that?

I would be fine with that. Maybe that sort of label is what would be needed to get people engaged in such behavior to be aware of what they're doing.

[Mountain Man]

I would be fine with that. Maybe that sort of label is what would be needed to get people engaged in such behavior to be aware of what they're doing.

Right, because people don't instinctively know that certain behaviors are wrong until we give them a catchy label.

[KingsGambit]

Right, because people don't instinctively know that certain behaviors are wrong until we give them a catchy label.

It would help identify it, yes. If there became widespread discussions about such a thing, women might see some of their own actions they had not thought much about in a different light. Maybe.

Anybody who's worked with kids knows girls can be especially cruel to each other. It's not a sexist observation, just reality.

[Tassman]

Nick does a great job of addressing this here (Is toxic masculinity a problem?).

I don’t usually bother with the pieties of Shallow Waters; I leave that for those that want to validate their belief system.

Got any actual data to support this outright lie, Tassy?

There is a great deal of data to support this demonstrable fact. E.g.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...past-two-years

A quick Google search will give you lots more.

By the way, the "Me too" movement appears to be doing you a great service....

According to a survey in the latest Economist magazine, the effect of the #MeToo movement has been to elevate Americans’ skepticism over sympathy for victims. Among other findings, the survey notes that between November 2017 and September 2018, while the perception that false allegations of sexual assault are a greater problem than unreported or unpunished sexual assault remains a minority, it nevertheless rose among both men and women in all categories surveyed — even among Hillary Clinton supporters. The poll, conducted by YouGov, found that “18 per cent of Americans now think that false accusations of sexual assault are a bigger problem than attacks that go unreported or unpunished, compared with 13 per cent in November last year,” the Economist reports.

Good job!!!!

It is perfectly reasonable to question, as per this article, whether or not an active movement such as 'Me Too' is the best way to go about addressing the problem of sexual harassment or whether it does more harm than good. What is not being questioned is whether or not sexual harassment, especially in the workplace, is a pervasive problem. It undoubtedly is. The real issue is how to best deal with it rather than pretend that it doesn’t exist.

[Sparko]

Why just boys, don’t girls require “toughening up”? And why is it just “dads” that do this? Don’t dads “nurture” their children as well as mums? Why these stereotypical assignations of roles? This is exactly what Catholicity is talking about?



The “me too" movement tells us that this is the norm for men, sadly, just as Trump’s Access Hollywood tape does.

Do you have a man bun, Tassy?