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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Can you please post a link to any document where the SBC officially came out in support of slavery?
    The SBC wouldn’t exist except for slavery. There was sufficient support for slave ownership to enable the creation of the Southern Baptist Convention. It couldn’t have happened without the approval of the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    The SBC wouldn’t exist except for slavery.
    The SBC wouldn't exist if the northern churches hadn't precluded the southern churches from sending missionaries due to the fact that the missionaries had owned slaves, just like so many people in government at that time.

    There was sufficient support for slave ownership to enable the creation of the Southern Baptist Convention. It couldn’t have happened without the approval of the majority.
    You are such a transparent dishonest hypocrite, having a total different standard for ILGA's inclusion of NAMBLA. It just shows what a hate-filled bigot you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    No. YOU can’t say that the SBC was wrong for supporting slavery. Because many slavers justified slave ownership and subsequent segregationist Jim Crow Laws, by appealing to the Word of God, i.e. your source of eternally objective morality, e.g. Titus 2. 9-10.

    Morality is based upon the social values of the day and scripture has historically been adapted to conform to those values. This was true of the Confederate slavers just as it has the case throughout Judeo/Christian history.

    There is NO objective morality and you have not demonstrated otherwise.
    If morals are subjective, then there is nothing wrong with slavery as long as that society thinks there is nothing wrong with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    If something is objectively true then it doesn't matter what your excuse is, it means it is absolutely true for everyone, everywhere at all times. Like the world being round. That is objectively true. Even when everyone believed it was flat. Even before there were people. And it will be true even if everyone were to die.
    Comprehension, Sparko, comprehension. That's what I said, but being objectively true doesn't mean that they are absolute objective realities such as divine laws. the moral against rape being in the best interests of human society can be objectively true without being divine law. Just like having a speed limit on the highway needn't be divine law in order to be objectively in our collective best interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Comprehension, Sparko, comprehension. That's what I said, but being objectively true doesn't mean that they are absolute objective realities such as divine laws. the moral against rape being in the best interests of human society can be objectively true without being divine law. Just like having a speed limit on the highway needn't be divine law in order to be objectively in our collective best interests.
    So objective doesn't mean objective? Got it.

    Stop smoking the wacky weed Jimmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So objective doesn't mean objective? Got it.

    Stop smoking the wacky weed Jimmy.
    No, don't you get it? Morality is objective when you want it to be, and subjective when you want to be. It's a win/win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    If morals are subjective, then there is nothing wrong with slavery as long as that society thinks there is nothing wrong with it.
    Correct. And if people get the idea that their God given objective standards allow for slavery, then they fail to see that there is something wrong with that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Correct. And if people get the idea that their God given objective standards allow for slavery, then they fail to see that there is something wrong with that as well.
    If morals are objective and slavery is wrong, then they would be wrong. But under Tassman's theory of morality, they would be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    If morals are objective and slavery is wrong, then they would be wrong. But under Tassman's theory of morality, they would be right.
    You seem to be under the odd understanding that morals, or rules, need have objective realities in and of themselves in order that they have any value. I gave you an example above of a law of which its being "good" can be objectively true, while as a law in and of itself it has no reality. Speed limits on highways are an objective "good" for human communities, but speed limits have no objective reality in their own right. Moral laws are no different, the objectivity concerning them is in whether they serve the best interests of the community. And like speed limits, though not objective realities in their own right, they are not divine laws, the "good" with respect to morals, have nothing to do with whether you subjectively agree with them or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The SBC wouldn't exist if the northern churches hadn't precluded the southern churches from sending missionaries due to the fact that the missionaries had owned slaves,
    All the Southern Churches had to do was renounce slave ownership and they could have missionized to their heart’s content and remain with the Northern Churches. But they preferred to start a new Church and keep their slaves.
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